[cma-l] Music Royalties

Fri Feb 25 15:37:39 GMT 2011

Ian

Good one 

.. don’t me going on the hairdresser one !
a hairdresser pays PRS because they listen to the radio and someone in the
shop having a short back and thripenny all off happens to be listening so
this, so it constitutes an audience etc etc     what a load of crap !
the person has gone in the shop for the sole purpose of having their hair
cropped and not to listen to music.

If I go to the MEN to watch Keane 

. Then I go for the music 

 not to
have my haircut 

 Keane and all their enteourage make money on it 
 so
they pay !

SIMPLES

I keep telling you 

.. it’s a bloody money making racket !!!!!!   ,
providing of course we keep going along with it like little lap dogs !
they can get stuffed, they’re avin their £700 and they can swing for the
rest 

 I don’t even think we should be giving em’ that much !

We had three programmes last night that had about 80% each of speech.

I’m doing a programme next week on how to write e-mails 

.. should
take up a whole week actually              LOL

Nick

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From: Ian Hickling [mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com] 
Sent: 25 February 2011 15:00
To: Bill Best; cma-l; office at ccr-fm.co.uk
Subject: Music Royalties

Bill
Do you really believe that anyone should have to pay for simply copying
music from one format to another?
At all?
Surely - people who use music for gain should be the only ones who pay - and
they should pay as and when they use it.
Simply having music stored in a retrieval system should not require any
payment to anyone.
It's not actually doing anything.
This would make MCPS entirely redundant in a broadcasting environment.
Paying to record output for mandatory logging is utterly ridiculous.
Demanding that shop owners pay Royalties again when they are providing music
from radio for which Royalties have aready been paid once - not as a "Public
Performance" but on private premises - is fraudulent.
Radio stations should pay when they play, yes, but according to a realsitic
measure of how many consumers they are serving.
This would mean that CR stations will be paying very little.
Oh dear - how sad - never mind.
I've always said that Ofcom should deal with this - as they are all
apparently legal requirements to broadcast - and bill with Licence Fees all
in one go.
Surely not too much to ask?

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> From: bill.best at commedia.org.uk
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:10:50 +0000
> To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] does anyone know ?
> 
> Hi Nick
> 
> Thanks for your email.
> 
> Not quite sure what you are on about here but I'm guessing it is the
> recent introduction of the mechanical rights licence (MCPS) at a flat
> fee of £182.48 (plus VAT) for the period 1st October 2010 – 30th
> September 2011.
> 
> The situation was that up until this current licensing period, PRS for
> Music did not have a scheme in place to cover the mechanical rights
> licence. All previous licences from PRS for Music included the
> following wording regarding the MCPS licence:
> 
> "Your details will be held on file, and contact will be made once PRS
> for Music is in a position to issue the licence. For budgeting please
> allow the same minimum fee as PRS for Music, £607 plus VAT per licence
> year."
> 
> The CMA received news that PRS for Music was considering plans to
> introduce a charge for the MCPS licence at a cost of up to the same
> amount for the Performing Rights Licence (PRS) which is £636 for 1st
> October 2010 – 30th September 2011 - effectively a 100% increase in
> licence fees for community radio stations.
> 
> The CMA vigorously argued against this 100% increase in the licence
> fee for community radio stations and PRS for Music conceded to charge
> a fee of £182.48 plus VAT for MCPS.
> 
> The CMA will continue to argue for fair treatment of non-for-profit
> community radio stations with regard to the licensing fees. For
> example, only this week I attended a meeting of the Community Sector
> Law Monitoring Group to discuss how copyright law is applied to our
> sector and the CMA is still seeking further legal opinion to ensure
> that community radio stations are treated fairly in comparison to
> other voluntary and community sector organisations.
> 
> Hope that helps and best regards
> 
> Bill
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> On 25 February 2011 11:33, Office - ccr-fm <office at ccr-fm.co.uk> wrote:
> > Dear All
> >
> > As it now seems to be ‘’’kicking off’’’ on yet another front 

 (PRS)
> > could someone (preferably from the CMA) (Jaqui / Bill ??)    enlighten
me as
> > to what was actually negotiated with the PRS 
..
> > ?                            I was on the understand it was a bogged
> > standard rate agreed by all parties.
> >
> > On the bureaucratic front would it not be sensible and easier for all
> > concerned to simply be invoiced for the ‘agreed’ amount 

 return the
> > invoice with a signature and a cheque.
> >
> > Has something been agreed or has it not been agreed ??
or
> > 

 was it negotiated with an option left in small print for the Ivory
> > Towers troop to move the goalposts, as this is how it appears to me.
> >
> > I’m just trying to establish what we are meant to be paying as a none
> > business, not-for-profit group ?     ( we could be very soon a charity
as
> > well.)          The payments for the PRS are related to music used for
our
> > broadcasting              I think
> > ?????????                                             so, I ask the
question
> > again 
. Has anyone paid above the £700 ?        How much ?      and Why
?
> >
> > As a fraturnity and brotherhood can we also stop hiding in the trench
> > waiting for others to fire the bullets and get a bad name for themselves
> > 

 ie:-   moi’   !            All I am attempting to do is to fight
for a
> > fair and simple system for everyone so that everyone is charged and pays
> > their dues according to ability to pay. In fact I could go one further
on
> > this topic and ask why the CMA hasn’t negotiated a special rate for
those 16
> > stations who are already struggling for funding regarding the adverts on
air
> > / sponsorship debacle as we appear to be getting ‘crapped on’ from all
> > angles 

. We are not allowed to earn the money but have to fork
out
> > the same as everyone else 

 one rule for one and different rules for
> > others.
> >
> > Well I ain’t certainly rolling over and dieing 

     I’ll stand up and
be
> > counted. Once it is all put to bed maybe I will be able to join in the
> > message board comminications on a positive note as opposed to negative
angst
> > all the time 

.. not caused by me by the way.
> >
> > Nick
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