[cma-l] Charitable Status

Sun Feb 6 11:52:55 GMT 2011

Eddie

Yep !   I know where you're coming from on this one ....... oh dear !!
however, it just goes to prove yet again, that when applying for a community
licence we should read the small print ......... actually, after everyones
past experiences over the last 5 years it SHOULD be in BIG print !

Welcome to the world of Community Radio .. The medium that has you doing
lots of admin' and things ???    going around in circles, uttering the same
arguments and points week in week out, none stop ..... And most importantly
wastes 40 hours of ones time per week, instead of actually doing what we are
supposed to be doing ...

Being the nice dedicated people that we are though, we manage to get all of
this done because we actually work 80 hours per-week !

By jove, it's Sunday .. And here I am again, catching up on all the things
that I have just mentioned, so that this week I CAN actually do what I am
supposed to be doing.

By the way guys .. Most of my stuff is tongue in cheek you know ...
Still like to think though, that it gets the message across.

Point made                       tatty bye for now.

Regards

Nick

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From: Eddie Winship [mailto:eddie.winship at virgin.net] 
Sent: 06 February 2011 09:44
To: Ian Hickling; office at ccr-fm.co.uk; Glyn Gloss; cma-l
Cc: johnstannard1946 at yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Charitable Status

Hi All

Sod's Law dictates that not long after my last input re VAT, I had a rather
disturbing telephone call from our Treasurer. Some weeks ago we had a letter
from HMRC why we had reclaimed so much more VAT than we paid. He gave them
details of our finances and they have now come up with the wonderful idea
that we can only claim VAT refund on items we have paid for with money we
have earned and not with money received as grants!

We are going to seek advice on this but I'd be very interested to learn if
anyone else has come across this one?

Frankly, the VAT we might have to pay back is more than the pitiful amount
we have in reserve!

Eddie

Eddie Winship
Chair, Reading Community Radio. Reg Charity No. 1119557

Streaming as Reading4u on www.reading4u.co.uk 
Walford Hall, Carey Street, Reading RG1 7JS
Tel: 0118 327 9774

From: Ian <mailto:transplanfm at hotmail.com>  Hickling 

Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:57 PM

To: office at ccr-fm.co.uk ; Glyn Gloss <mailto:info at a-bc.co.uk>  ; cma-l
<mailto:cma-l at commedia.org.uk>  

Subject: [cma-l] Charitable Status

As I have said many times - the obvious solution is to run three businesses
concurrently:

1 - The Community Radio station as a CIC which does not return a profit.
2 - A Charitable arm which can accept charitable donations which does not
retrun a profit and feeds the station.
3 - A commercial limited company which can return a profit from a wide range
of activities, is VAT-registered and feeds the station.

It's sensible business practice - not rocket science.

To lose that much VAT by default is just plain stupid - sorry!

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From: office at ccr-fm.co.uk
To: info at a-bc.co.uk; cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:34:48 +0000
Subject: Re: [cma-l] charity status

Glyn n' all

Thanks Glyn ..... As I said .. It looks like everyone is fumbling around in
the dark. Either we can as a fraturnity / brotherhood or we can't .... which
is it .. ??  I dunno'?

Regards

Nick

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From: glyn.m.roylance at googlemail.com [mailto:glyn.m.roylance at googlemail.com]
On Behalf Of Associated Broadcast Consultants
Sent: 04 February 2011 22:59
To: Office - ccr-fm
Cc: CMA-L
Subject: Re: [cma-l] charity status

Yes we had the same experience.  Essentially we discovered that a community
radio station could not be a charity unless it fulfilled one of a number of
narrow categories .  ie: if we decided to be a religious radio station then
bingo, but we did not want to go that way.

Instead we went down the CIC route.  It was "sold" to us as being equivalent
to being a charity, but from a recent approach from Inland Revenue I think
it might have some drawbacks compared to being a charity (they seem to treat
us like any other ommercial Ltd company) - but I'm not an expert.

Glyn Roylance

GLOSS FM.org

On 4 February 2011 18:16, Office - ccr-fm <office at ccr-fm.co.uk> wrote:

Dear All

Just a quick enquiry ....... Does anyone know how many Community Radio
Stations in our fraturnity/brotherhood are actually charities ??     I know
that we looked into it 7 years ago but the process was a complete nightmare.
Also, in 2004 I clearly remember that the Charities commision simply had NO
category for radio ... it was almost as if they didn't understand it >?>?
I think the key to it and the crux of the matter was that we were
technically ''all over the place'' in what we were providing ... in
otherwords, providing a lot, but nothing specific !
almost          ''a jack of all trades but master of none''

Have any of you guys had a similar experience ?                       I seem
to recall that there is a station on the south coast as a charity ??
plus         Regen (near to us) in South Manchester who do run Wythenshawe
FM and ALL FM ...... outside of that, I'm a bit clueless to be honest ...
Any ideas ?

What about Sheffield and of course the CMA ?

Many thanks

Regards

Nick

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