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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Eddie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yep ! I know where you’re
coming from on this one ………………… oh
dear
!!
however, it just goes to prove yet again, that when applying for a community
licence we should read the small print …………………..
actually, after everyones past experiences over the last 5 years it SHOULD be
in BIG print !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Welcome to the world of Community Radio ….
The medium that has you doing lots of admin’ and things
??? going around in circles, uttering the same arguments and
points week in week out, none stop …………. And most
importantly wastes 40 hours of ones time per week, instead of actually doing
what we are supposed to be doing ………<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Being the nice dedicated people that we
are though, we manage to get all of this done because we actually work 80 hours
per-week !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By jove, it’s Sunday …. And here
I am again, catching up on all the things that I have just mentioned, so that
this week I CAN actually do what I am supposed to be doing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By the way guys …. Most of my stuff
is tongue in cheek you know …….
Still like to think though, that it gets the message across.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Point
made
tatty bye for now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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Eddie Winship [mailto:eddie.winship@virgin.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 06 February 2011 09:44<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ian Hickling;
office@ccr-fm.co.uk; Glyn Gloss; cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> johnstannard1946@yahoo.co.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Charitable
Status</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Sod’s Law
dictates that not long after my last input re VAT, I had a rather disturbing
telephone call from our Treasurer. Some weeks ago we had a letter from HMRC why
we had reclaimed so much more VAT than we paid. He gave them details of our
finances and they have now come up with the wonderful idea that we can only
claim VAT refund on items we have paid for with money we have earned and not
with money received as grants!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>We are going to seek
advice on this but I’d be very interested to learn if anyone else has
come across this one?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Frankly, the VAT we
might have to pay back is more than the pitiful amount we have in reserve!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Eddie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Eddie Winship<br>
Chair, Reading Community Radio. Reg Charity No. 1119557<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Streaming as Reading4u
on <a href="http://www.reading4u.co.uk">www.reading4u.co.uk</a> <br>
Walford Hall, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Carey Street</st1:Street>,
<st1:City w:st="on">Reading</st1:City> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">RG1 7JS</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><br>
Tel: 0118 327 9774<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com" title="transplanfm@hotmail.com">Ian
Hickling</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Saturday, February 05,
2011 6:57 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk" title="office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>
; <a href="mailto:info@a-bc.co.uk" title="info@a-bc.co.uk">Glyn Gloss</a> ; <a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" title="cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
[cma-l] Charitable Status<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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As I have said many times - the obvious solution is to run three businesses
concurrently:<br>
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1 - The Community Radio station as a CIC which does not return a profit.<br>
2 - A Charitable arm which can accept charitable donations which does not
retrun a profit and feeds the station.<br>
3 - A commercial limited company which can return a profit from a wide range of
activities, is VAT-registered and feeds the station.<br>
<br>
It's sensible business practice - not rocket science.<br>
<br>
To lose that much VAT by default is just plain stupid - sorry!<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From:
office@ccr-fm.co.uk<br>
To: info@a-bc.co.uk; cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:34:48 +0000<br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] charity status<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Glyn n’ all</span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Glyn ………….
As I said …. It looks like everyone is fumbling around in the dark.
Either we can as a fraturnity / brotherhood or we can’t ……..
which is it …. ?? I dunno’?</span></font><font color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards</span></font><font color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick</span></font><font color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com
[mailto:glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Associated Broadcast Consultants<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 04 February 2011 22:59<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Office - ccr-fm<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> CMA-L<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] charity
status</span></font><font color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Yes we had the same experience.
Essentially we discovered that a community radio station could not be a charity
unless it fulfilled one of a number of narrow categories . ie: if we
decided to be a religious radio station then bingo, but we did not want to go
that way.</span></font><font color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:
Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Instead we went down the CIC route.
It was "sold" to us as being equivalent to being a charity, but from
a recent approach from Inland Revenue I think it might have some drawbacks
compared to being a charity (they seem to treat us like any other ommercial Ltd
company) - but I'm not an expert.</span></font><font color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Glyn Roylance</span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>GLOSS FM.org</span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On 4 February 2011 18:16, Office - ccr-fm
<<a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dear All</span></font><font color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Just a quick enquiry
………………. Does anyone know how many Community
Radio Stations in our fraturnity/brotherhood are actually charities
?? I know that we looked into it 7 years ago but the
process was a complete nightmare. Also, in 2004 I clearly remember that the
Charities commision simply had NO category for radio ….. it was almost as
if they didn’t understand it
>?>?
I think the key to it and the crux of the matter was that we were technically
‘’all over the place’’ in what we were providing
……… in otherwords, providing a lot, but nothing specific
!
almost ‘’a
jack of all trades but master of none’’</span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Have any of you guys had a similar
experience
?
I seem to recall that there is a station on the south coast as a charity ??
plus Regen (near to us) in <st1:place
w:st="on">South Manchester</st1:place> who do run Wythenshawe FM and ALL FM
……………… outside of that, I’m a bit
clueless to be honest ……. Any ideas ?</span></font><font
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What about <st1:place w:st="on">Sheffield</st1:place>
and of course the CMA ?</span></font><font color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Many thanks</span></font><font
color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Regards</span></font><font color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Nick</span></font><font color=black
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