[cma-l] prs / ppl / copyright

Thu Aug 4 14:56:35 BST 2011

Martin

A good debate ..... I do see both sides of the fence. I have just given you
ten quid for your cd. I like your talent. I am also going to put it on our
radio station and promote it and plug it for you so that Mrs Goggins and
Herbert n' all go and purchase a copy.

Because of OUR hard work at this end .... most of it (UNPAID) and voluntary,
we help you in your career. You make quite a bit of money 'hopefully'

Remember that in 2 years time when we play the song, there could be a whole
new listeners base and a new generation who hear that music on Canalside and
then go and by your Greatest Hits.

It's a joke, it's a money making racket, I ain't budging on my opinion and
as I see it .. Canalside gets now't except the opportunity to play the music
which some I like and some I don't ....... but who am I to judge, so we play
all of it ...... the artists don't give me anything, they charge me. I have
just bought the cd remember !        so as I say it is all take - take -
take - take

Like I said ....... stealing the music is a different matter and I agree
with the rules.

I suggest a lot of people in our fraternity have a peep over this side of
the fence .... it just might be the correct side.

Time will tell no doubt providing the people making the Laws are genuine and
not bent / corrupt / being wined and dined etc etc   as we see too often on
our TV screens these days.

Regards

Nick

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From: Martin Shields [mailto:martincamglen at googlemail.com] 
Sent: 04 August 2011 11:44
To: Office - ccr-fm
Cc: CMA-L
Subject: Re: [cma-l] prs / ppl / copyright

Hi Nick,

Sorry to be so blunt, but as with most of your posts, you only see things
from your perspective. (why wouldn't you really)

As someone who works in community radio and attempts to be an 'artist' I can
see both sides. It's sometimes nice to see both sides because you end up
passing off less of your opinions as 'facts'.

I agree that the laws(made by the government) surrounding copyright are
perhaps punishing the innocent, upstanding members of the public, however,
they do enough to scare a lot of people off potential illegal activity in
terms of ripping music, and believe me, there are a hell of a lot of people
who flout these rules anyway so any deterant is a welcome one.  

I'd love to hear a suggestion from anyone that would protect the artist and
the radio station or home user, it's a tricky one don't you think?

Contrary to your outburst about artists wanting their cake and eating it, we
just want to eat. Full stop. The work that PRS for music do to support
artists cannot be understood until you are on that side of the fence. You
say money making racket, I say an organisation helping artists get what they
deserve for their hard work, determination and talent. 

As an experiment you should only play royalty free music for a week, backing
it up wherever you please, and see what your listeners and volunteers
feedback is like.

Martin.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Office - ccr-fm <office at ccr-fm.co.uk> wrote:

Dear All

I ain't getting embroiled in the rights and wrongs and too-ings and fro-ings
of copyright .... I don't understand it ?         :-(

What I do know though is this ...  it's a money making racket and a sham.
The Law should be against people who use the music for financial profitable
gain, whilst at the same time not paying for it.

If Fred Bloggs the songwriter, writes a song and Engelbert Humperdinck
wishes to release it as a potential hit ... then Mr Hump' pays that guy his
dues ... he then releases it through the usual channels (record companies,
publishers etc)           and hopefully sells the song.

If I like it .... I buy it, if I don't like it, I don't buy it .........
once I give him the money and buy it, it then belongs to me. I can do what
the hell I want with it .. Play it, dance on it, sit on it, use it as a
plate, a bird scarer, a frisbee ...... as long as I have purchased it and
not RIPPED IT OFF / STOLEN IT, then I see no legalities to be had !

If he and Elton John, Sting, Paul Weller, Robbie Williams song writer don't
want me to use it ..... don't sell it me, don't bother writing the song in
the first place, in fact, simply go and work in M&S and do something
different.

But alas ... They don't do this, they want their cake and eat it.

Furthermore ..  this business of a retrieval system or re-recording on a
database . most of it is done to save what the customer / purchaser has,
so's not to lose it, and not for sinister reasons. THEY actually want you to
only have one copy, spill tea on it and then go and buy it again.

I apologise for writing in such a dire way, but these ladies and gentlemen
are the facts ..... It's a money making racket !                     then
you get the leaches and parasites jumping on the bandwaggon who are also
after a butty or two.

The whole thing is a bleedin' joke but well thought out by    whoever ?
back in the 1930's

The music is put up for market, someone buys it ..... no crime there ...
they play it ..... no crime there either ..... However, this is the crux of
the matter

If it is played to an audience for financial gain, then perhaps there is a
case for a little tickle. If it is stored or played out to individuals /
people for NO financial gain, then there is no crime either.

The crime is in the theft.

Community Radio buys the music / or gets promos. We play it not for
financial gain (NO PROFITS) (read the rules)    we store it, because we have
to or else we can't do what we do ....    WE PROMOTE IT

They should be bloody paying us !    not us paying them              or at
least call it quits

It's pathetic

A money making racket                   be told !

Regards

Nick

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