[cma-l] Government response to petition 'allthevoices'

Sun Jul 25 18:26:54 BST 2010

well that's alright then - a cabinet minister makes a promise so we can all
rest easy... [not to cast aspersions on Mr Hunt in person of course]

Mark you're not following my drift - the greatest contribution we make to
society [big or otherwise] is the raft of social gain that we generate - not
the fact of our broadcasting.  We do deserve a proper slice of the public
purse for that - not for 'public service broadcasting'.

bestss,

Phil

On 25 July 2010 17:44, mark polden <markianpolden at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi All
>
> I dont agree with Phil, if you look at my other post this morning.
> Jeremy Hunt put it quite clearly this morning "the license fee is a tax to
> finance all public service broadcasting" in fact from the conversation with
> Andrew Marr if I was ITV I would be coming round with a bowl too. Also he
> said that there would never be a FOX news inthe UK on his watch
>
> ------------------------------
> From: phil.korbel at googlemail.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:05:56 +0100
>
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Government response to petition 'allthevoices'
> To: markianpolden at hotmail.com
> CC: murray at shmu.org.uk; cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>
>
> the licence fee is a tax for the upkeep of the BBC - and we are not a state
> broadcaster.  We deserve proper payment for the services that we provide to
> the community.  A weakened BBC means a strengthened Rupert Murdoch and a
> weakened community media sector.  So let's prove our strengths as a provider
> of social gain and not give strength to the monopolising dreams of The
> Digger...  do you seriously want to be seen as part of the reason that we
> ended up with Fox News UK?
>
> and slim the wage packets of the BBC top brass and top, er, 'talent' too..
> A far more fair settlement wd be for Auntie to pay us to host extended work
> placements for all its new employees...
>
> [rant ends]
>
> bests,
>
> Phil
>
>
> On 23 July 2010 20:23, mark polden <markianpolden at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I realise that it is an old chestnut, phil but my argument is that
> effectively the license fee is a tax and what we and our listeners want it
> to be used for. I think that in this settlement the government will force
> the BBC to look at what it does very carefully, we are only talking about a
> small percentage which should make absolutely no difference to the BBC apart
> from focusing the mind a little about people wage packets
>
> Mark
>
> ------------------------------
> From: phil.korbel at googlemail.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:25:27 +0100
>
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Government response to petition 'allthevoices'
> To: markianpolden at hotmail.com
> CC: murray at shmu.org.uk; julian at 10radio.org; cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>
>
> Hi Murray
>
> IMHO the CRF form and process is not onerous and in itself presents a
> reasonable competence barrier to applicants - i.e. if you cant fill out a
> relatively simple application, with all the guidance and steers given, then
> maybe you are not a right and proper recipient of that public money.  Which
> is not to disagree with the idea of more experienced stations helping out
> others - but that help should be about getting them to a stage where they
> can fill out the form - not filling out the form for them.
>
> Hi Mark
>
> This is a bit of an old chestnut for me but - we really should not be on
> the side of those politicians who seek to disable the BBC and a call for top
> slicing does exactly that.  I say this someone who nearly gagged as I read
> this week's Media Guardian Top 100 and the salaries the top BBC execs get -
> a disgrace.   But if community radio is '90% community' then we should not
> seek the bulk of our funding from a 'radio' pot.  What we should be asking
> for is funding that recognises our contribution to society [big or
> otherwise] and to multiple government priorities.
>
> The Community Radio Fund should recognise that point - and be bigger.
>
> But hey folks - lets get real - the next two years are going to be very
> grim for us all - stations will go dark and be cut to the bone and we'll
> need to work together to weather the storm.
>
> Over and out,
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 23 July 2010 12:02, mark polden <markianpolden at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It would be a good time to start as part of all the voices talking about a
> portion of the license fee being part of this, the government has already
> said there is to be some boat rocking done as part of the 2012/13 BBC
> license settlement and it plays very well to the big society image that is
> being promoted at the moment
>
> Mark Polden
> Flame 1521
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:11:03 +0100
> From: murray at shmu.org.uk
> To: julian at 10radio.org
> CC: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Government response to petition 'allthevoices'
>
>
> I think there are two elements to this Julian;
>
> - we should work together to support those who have less experience in
> completing funding applications in producing an application that truly
> reflects the quality of the work of their organisation (I'm happy to assist
> where I can - perhaps we can create a guide on the CMA website or Toolkit?)
>
> - and we should have a large enough fund that allows though who have been
> successful in previous round with 'good' applications to be funded again
> (otherwise, eventually, the only ones which will be being considered will be
> the ones who haven't had funding before - either new stations or the ones
> who have previously submitted poor applications).
>
> All the best
>
> Murray
>
>
> please reply tomurray at shmu.org.uk
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> On 21/07/2010 17:02, Julian Mellor wrote:
>
> The reported comment made by Richard Hilton at the CMA conference "The
> quality of applications had been surprisingly poor" does not bode well for
> the future of the fund.
>
> Why would anyone keep a fund going when it's a struggle to find projects
> that are good enough to fund?
>
> The campaign to keep the fund will need to address this, perhaps explaining
> why recent applications have been poor and drawing attention to the quality
> and outcomes of previous grants.
>
> Julian
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>  On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:41, jaqui devereux wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> Many of you will have received this from HM Government today regarding the
> Allthevoices campaign.  We have checked with DCMS and this is the current
> position of the new government.
>
> However, a major caveat though - the new government cannot confirm that
> this would be their position following the Comprehensive Spending Review in
> the autumn, so not quite time to jump for any joy.  The CMA Council is
> meeting on 31st July and will be devising a major campaign to feed into the
> CSR to try to ensure that the Community Radio Fund is both maintained and
> expanded and we will need your help in that.  Let us know if you have
> particular ideas on the best approach for the campaign.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jaqui
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *HM Government* <petitions at hmg.gov.uk>
> Date: 21 July 2010 14:42
> Subject: Government response to petition 'allthevoices'
> To: e-petition signatories <petitions at hmg.gov.uk>
>
>
> You signed a petition asking the Prime Minister to support the
> sustainability and growth of community radio by substantially increasing
> the resources of the Community Radio Fund.
>
> Her Majesty's Government has responded to that petition and you can view it
> here:
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>
> http://www.hmg.gov.uk/epetition-responses/petition-view.aspx?epref=allthevoices
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> Petition information - http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/allthevoices/
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