[cma-l] MW antenna
studio
studio at ravensoundradio.co.uk
Mon Dec 27 10:00:32 GMT 2010
If you can still get hold of one a fibreglass whip might be the easiest to
install and maintain, might also find favour with the planning authorities
if you aren't on crown property.
Regards, Tony Bailey
On Sun 26/12/10 9:43 PM , "Martin Steers" martinsteers at yahoo.com sent:
CAM FM (Was CUR1350) has just started on FM and i think still has the old
AM kit and mast you could give them a ring for some 2nd hand kit.. (would
need some referb) Martin
--- On Sun, 26/12/10, mark polden wrote:
From: mark polden
Subject: [cma-l] MW antenna
To: hulaksewa at yahoo.com, "CMA-L"
Date: Sunday, 26 December, 2010, 9:41
Our station is MW too, do you have an allocated frequency. We are on 1521
and you need either approx a 12.5m tower (1/4 wavelength) or 25m tower (1/2
wavelength) and radiating wires in the ground with a 25m radius. The other
option is instead of a tower you can hang wires from tall trees.
We did wires in trees for about £5k but a tower built would be about
£8k
Hope this helps
Mark PoldenFlame CCR
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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:50:26 -0800
From: hulaksewa at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA
To: markianpolden at hotmail.com
Hi Mark Thanks for the offer, Ian too has offered to help. Really
very kind of you to come back so soon. The station is MW and basically
our requirement is type, size, size and cost. Tikendra
British Gurkha Welfare Society (BGWS),
119 Wren Way,Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 8TA, UK
Phone: (44) 01252 510 794
http://www.bgws.org/
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From: mark polden
To: hulaksewa at yahoo.com; office at ccr-fm.co.uk; transplanfm at hotmail.com;
CMA-L
Sent: Sat, 25 December, 2010 15:31:39
Subject: RE: [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA
Please give us some further information, FM or MW details of the site etc
Ian Hickling or I can probably help.
Mark PoldenFlame CCR
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 06:22:06 -0800
From: hulaksewa at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA
To: office at ccr-fm.co.uk; transplanfm at hotmail.com;
markianpolden at hotmail.com; cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Hi all We are all set to go but stuck with the antenna problem. Could
anyone direct me to the right people to address this problem, what we are
seeking basically is tech advice. Thank you Merry Christmas to
all Tikendra
British Gurkha Welfare Society (BGWS),
119 Wren Way,Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 8TA, UK
Phone: (44) 01252 510 794
http://www.bgws.org/
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From: Office - ccr-fm
To: Ian Hickling
; mark polden ; CMA-L
Sent: Fri, 24 December, 2010 14:53:53
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA
Merry Christmas All
Here we go again with the power / transmission / 5km / ofcom / original
application - malarky ………
Not wanting to spoil anyones christmas so --------------- I’ll tread
very carefully. Let’s analyse the Community Radio
story.
1) Someone has this brilliant idea = Community Radio
2) Commercial Radio don’t like it !
3) A bit of whinging, wineing and dining takes place, a few
politicians who are quite good at fiddling expenses get approached, but
don’t have the balls to toss aside restrictions that basically beggar
belief …………. It’s called wrong priorities and being a
job for the wrong reason !
4) Anyway …………. Everyone agrees that we suck it and
see ……………… so …………… we suck and see
5) We suddenly notice that the flavour after sucking it has a
rather unusual taste --- things are tough, they continue to be tough,
they’re still tough and getting tougher …………….. still the main
bits on the restrictions remain
6) We all agree and people can see how wonderful community
radio is …… we (CCR) have had about 25 youngsters in the station over
the past 3 weeks all making radio …… kids with dissabilities, kids who
were once hanging about on the street now making radio, cub groups doin’
activities for their badges ---- only possible because of community radio.
7) We get pats on the back from the Councils, the Police, the
Fire service, Community Groups etc ……….. but we get no grants, no
funding and the community fund is useless ………. Even it was ‘very
good’ the way it’s doled out is a disgrace and goes against the
fundamental way we operate community radio. EQUALITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES
TO ALL
8) We (CCR) have to unfortunately change our tactics or
DIE ! the restrictions really do now
RESTRICT / PREVENT / THWART growth and threaten our very survival.
9) We (CCR) gain many listeners this year, our website grows
and we try to generate money by ‘being a touch more commercial minded’
…………... no problem really as the ethos of the station remains the
same ………… Community led / Community first / Not-for-profit /
reinvestment in the station / volunteering / brotherhood …………..
10) The rules prevent us from being ‘commercially
minded’ we simply dare not and cannot
compete so what we are now left with is that ALL our funding streams are
blocked.
11) Sorry to Ian and others ………… but, I don’t know whether
or not you have been away in Lapland with Father Christmas for the past 6
years but the 5km DOES exist. I ‘ll prove it ………. Because when we
have approached ofcom regarding the ‘problems’ we get told the same
thing and never get past the first hurdle. Areas of Poynton / Macclesfield
/ Wilmslow are outside our 5km ………… sometimes only
‘’yards’’ but the quote is …………. ‘’you are
outside your zone’’ We obviously haveto be careful as we could
interfere with other users. Bollington is surrounded by 3 miles of
countryside ….. surely we can’t include shrubs, trees, sheep, canals
etc into the figures ….. ?? but we do !
12) Other big users Key / Ram etc interfere with us …………….
BUT because of the 5km bull -------------------s
-------------------------------h ------------------- it we can’t
defend ourselves …………………. Something as simple as putting the
power up by 20 watts WOULD make a difference. We don’t need height, we
do not want to chuck our signal all over the North West , we simply want
to defend our Castle.
13) We gain listeners but lose as many as we gain …………… why
? coz’ they can’t hear us ?
14) This is where community radio is at !
15) Each station needs a community fund that at least pays our licence
fees … and rent (basically things that relate to our mer;;
existance) say = £12,000 each, guaranteed – every year –
everyone
16) Listeners / Sponsors / Local businesses do not really understand
what we do. Actually, that isn’t exactly true as local people see that
we work with others in the community etc …………………. BUT
……………….. let’s get down to laymans terms ………………
with the best will in the world and the desire to give a bit of money to
the community, certainly in a recession the bottom line is these guys want
to know ‘’ What do we get in return and listeners just want good
community radio’’
17) Advertising restrictions doesn’t give the sponsor what they want
! and a signal that hisses and spits the moment you go out of
range by 3 yards doesn’t give a potential listener what they want.
18) I find it absolutely unbeleivable that all the smaller stations
like us haven’t gone tits-up ?? however, looking at our
position and reading between the lines, some are mighty close.
19) Commercial stations seem to be able to do what the hell they want
….. I can prove that as well with at least 4 around this area who have
at the drop of a hat change their remits and commitments.
20) We’re fed up ……… pissed off (if we are going to swear) and
angry ……………… not fed up of what we are doing ….. we LOVE IT
! but fed up of being treated like morons ……… in
fact you wouldn’t treat a dog how we are being treated.
21) We have more than proved our worth, we have also proved that the
sales / non sales etc of commercial radio has no bearing on what we do or
v / v and if it does, it’s their fault for being either to
expensive, too greedy, to arogant or basically garbage.
And yet still …… they treat us as competition.
It’s Christmas, and the good lord won’t be smiling on me if I am
angry. It is all about peace and goodwill and everyone getting along
together. This can be done if there is a will within the Ivory Towers.
I can’t say anymore really except ………… Merry Christmas and let
us hope for some goodwill, common sense and success in 2011.
God bless us all …………………. everyone
Regards
Tiny Tim …………….. er Nick
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
Sent: 24 December 2010 10:54
To: Mark Polden; phil at somersetfilm.com; cma-l
Subject: [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA
Mark
There is no "5km Rule"
There never has been!
The 5km is a suggestion for what the usual Community Radio station
should aim for.
The criterion has always been - as I have said so many times - that it is
up to you as the Applicant to identify your target audience and to tell
Ofcom how you proposed to cover it.
Just a few have done that and have been allocated the coverage they want
If you can't or don't do that, then you really have no-one to blame but
yourself.
And similarly, if you don't get someone who understands propagation to
guide you and prepare your technical submission, you're asking for trouble
because you most likely won't cover your desired audience and you therefore
won't be able to command the kind of revenue you'll need to stay in
business after yourset-up funding has gone.
The vast majority of the 190-odd CRs on air at the moment are in this
situation and Ofcom currently has said "no chance" for anyone wanting
clearance to upgrade transmission.
It has to be said also that the money to put in a sensible transmission
system that will do the trick usually isn't made available at the start
and that's the other reason why stations are suffering.
I know of one recently that spent £900 on three mic arms and then
decided that it couldn't afford a processor.
Crazy!
If you mean asking for more power, then that's quite a different matter
from your "5km Rule", but Ofcom will still give you exactly the same
message for a long time to come.
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From: markianpolden at hotmail.com
To: phil at somersetfilm.com; cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:25:33 +0000
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Happy Christmas and future thoughts for CMA
Hi All
>From our point of view, it is great the swing that CMA has with ofcom.
We would like to propose a task for CMA, it is this.
To tackle the 5km rule for community radio and seek a seperate definition
for "community of special interest" radio stations which does not involve
the 5km rule
We believe that this needs to be done before round three applications are
sought i.e. within the next three months
I have been seconded by our management to attend CMA meetings
Phil - Where is the Jan 29 meeting
Mark Polden
Flame CCR
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:18:31 +0000
From: phil at somersetfilm.com
To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] Happy Christmas and future thoughts for CMA
Hi members and friends
Happy Christmas and a great New Year to all!
This has been a challenging year for most of us in different ways and the
signs are that it won't get much easier anytime soon. However the good
news is that thanks to the hard work of our great staff and the support of
members, CMA is holding its own and continuing to punch above its weight on
many fronts.
We are far from complacent however and right now Council is looking at the
best ways forward for the organisation into 2011-12 and beyond. We need
your input into this debate.
* Three of the main questions are: what are the key characteristics of our
sector? what does the sector need? - and - what can the CMA feasibly offer?
Some of the answers to these questions are obvious of course - like lots of
us (but by no means all) run radio stations, like we need more money and
higher profile for example! Others may not be so clear.
We've found it useful to go back to our Charter and to ask if it remains fit
for purpose. The answer in our view is primarily 'yes, the Charter
continues to eloquently express what we mean by community media and what the
important principles are that inform our practice'. I'm adding the
wording of the Charter in full to the foot of this posting for you to
review. We feel there are some details which could do with updating but
only minor revisions needed. What do you think?
Does everyone read and digest the charter when they sign up to the CMA? Do
we all adhere to these principles in our activities? We feel it's
important to go back to first principles in this way, to try and identify
our USP and our collective commitment to it. We are entering an ever more
complex multi platform environment in which it will be increasingly
difficult to discern the provenance and intention of content. CMA and the
community media sector has a stated common purpose and we need to be clear
we are all signed up to the same starting point. There may well be other
organisations who would also subscribe to the Charter - they are our
potential partners as we seek to sustain accessible platforms for theUK 's
rich diversity of voices to be heard without fear or prejudice.
Once we all confirm that we have the starting point right (and I know this
was done years back but a review process is always healthy) then there are
important questions to ask about structure and strategy. Council is
looking at these issues too.
Our next meeting is on 29 January. I will post a weekly update on our
debate through January and look forward to hearing your views as we move
forward. We need your input so please give it some thought. First off,
thoughts about the Charter and whether we can reference it as a kite-mark
for content. A bit like Fair Trade for example. There are pros and cons
for this argument but let's hear your thoughts. Many thanks.
In the meantime, here's to a good festive season for all.
Best wishes
Phil
Phil Shepherd
Chair of Council
Community Media Association
philshep.wordpress.com
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