[cma-l] I say you passionate blighters
Karl Hartland
hartland.karl at 209radio.co.uk
Fri Sep 4 10:46:55 BST 2009
Pink gins on the poop deck all round then!
I've seen a significant jump in the numbers of signatories these past 2
days (2355 now) and have seen a semi-rattled response from Sion Simon
after various lobbying left hooks...show me those tiger faces....roooowwwlll
K
Julie at radiowestsuffolk.co.uk wrote:
> First I thought I was on a Jerry Springer show, then Hill St Blues,
> now I am on the Love Boat.
>
> And I haven't left my seat, what passion.
>
> Julie MacLeod
> Station Manager
>
> Listen to me every Friday night at 8pm for the Request Show or every other
> Wednesday at 6pm for "What's Going On". www.radiowestsuffolk.co.uk
> RWSfm is coming to Bury Soon!
>
>
> Quoting Karl Hartland <hartland.karl at 209radio.co.uk>:
>
>
>> I love you Lol, you're my hero, always have been. Captain of the Love
>> Machine, so you are.
>>
>> I love you all out there in Community Media Land too but we've got to
>> come together on this; the petition is the first stage and we have make
>> it a good one. Bite chucks out of one another off-list if you must (I
>> have and have had it done to me) but we must have unity when in the
>> Theatre of War.
>>
>> Listen to this man below, he speaks sense, Lol for Mayor I say. Mayor
>> of us all.
>>
>> K
>>
>> LOL GELLOR wrote:
>>
>>> And from the shadows the battle scarred veteran, a surprisingly
>>> upbeat handsome /Mr/. Miyagi like figure - sorry that's meant to
>>> be me - emerges to make an observation.
>>>
>>> Passion very good - martyred disposition (probably essential for
>>> long term stamina) -
>>> Eccentric almost certainly - ability to be challenged, argue,
>>> understand and then expand
>>>
>>> Oh you special communtiy media types - the strength and weakness,
>>> the broadest of churches - love each other you deserve it - it is
>>> unlikely that anyone else will (joke don't be sensitive) oh yeah
>>> sensitivity (not irony on this occassion).
>>>
>>> The point is do what you can, don't presume others are not -
>>> although that's up to them.
>>> As appropriately observed elsewhere in thread many people come from
>>> a place real or imagined that does not easily allow them to sign
>>> up to government lists.
>>>
>>> Anecdote alert!
>>> My Kurdish friends raised 4,000 hand written signatures to deliver
>>> to me! - in their plea for longer hours on Sound Radio - I think it
>>> is safe to say many of them would not have been so ready to sign a
>>> "government" petition.
>>>
>>> Only you will know your contributors and audience that well - maybe
>>> there is actually something else they can do or will motivate them
>>> in raising the cause profile - here I am talking of the carrot
>>> shaped stick (I learned to fashion this mystic motivational form
>>> from the ether, or more accuratley the airwaves). You would like
>>> people to be as bonkers as you but some sometimes they need a
>>> little encouragement - I know! but we are pragmatists as well -
>>> slightly idealistic all be it - but problem solving little tigers.
>>> Grrrr
>>>
>>> I think it's safe to say I can relate to the frustrations - don't
>>> get me started! - but you must be patient, supportive, forgiving,
>>> understanding of each other - and focus attention on those who must
>>> be persuaded to attach real value to the real value of what you
>>> all do. The list clearly presents a therapy opportunity to vent
>>> some spleen - and why not - you all deserve some kind of punch bag
>>> (hey I could be face of the month after this)
>>>
>>> But recognise the complex dynamics of the communitry media sector -
>>> at least to the extent that it is not simple and that my friends
>>> has always been part of its beauty.
>>>
>>> Anyway who suggests they are not in anyway eccentric and
>>> passionately frustrated to some extent, and are involved in the
>>> full time running of a community radio station are to be regarded
>>> with suspicion. I certainly didn't break the mould.
>>>
>>> Keep up the good work, you are all doing something really rather
>>> special - and as the sarge used to say - Be careful out there -
>>>
>>> now where do I sign the petition -
>>>
>>> all the very best
>>> Lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Thu, 3/9/09, Office - ccr-fm /<office at ccr-fm.co.uk>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Office - ccr-fm <office at ccr-fm.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Appeal to all Station Managers / Project Leaders
>>> To: "'Phil Gibbons'" <phil at bcfm.org.uk>, "'CMA-L'"
>>> <cma-l at commedia.org.uk>, cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk,
>>> cma-l-request at mailman.commedia.org.uk,
>>> jaqui.devereux at commedia.org.uk, phil at radioregen.org,
>>> phil at radio-regen.myzen.co.uk, "'Bill Best'"
>>> <bill.best at commedia.org.uk>
>>> Date: Thursday, 3 September, 2009, 12:16 PM
>>>
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> I do have a comment to make ..................... this (steve's
>>> e-mail) is a clear cry for help ..................... the problem
>>> is that frustration is starting to creep and set in ............
>>> in a league table of frustration with this Bill and these rules I
>>> am most definitely top by a clear 11 point lead with 3 games in hand !
>>>
>>> You mention constructive debate ......................... Here
>>> lies the problem in my opinion ...................... The
>>> constructive debate and requests have been milked dry
>>> ............. I am wiery, tired, and bored of all of it
>>> ............ ............... people in the CMA and Ofcom are
>>> likewise bored of my whinging ............
>>>
>>> OK ......... let's agree that we do it this way and hope and pray
>>> that things are changed ............... I'm not hopeful, I have
>>> given my reasons on so many occasions. We are being laughed at and
>>> treated with contempt !
>>>
>>> I will say it again .................. there has to be a plan
>>> B a contingency plan ......................... It would
>>> unfortunately mean action and conflict. It seems rather bizarre
>>> that I am writing this e-mail on the 70^th anniversary of 1939 !
>>>
>>> Neville Chamberlain you may recall pleaded with Herr Hitler to
>>> refrain from nonsense .......................... he didn't, and
>>> nothing changed ................. the only way left was action and
>>> to take up arms or of course .......... Get ones butts kicked
>>> ................ Certainly not one of my options.
>>>
>>> I pray that this doesn't happen ................ But, we are
>>> dealing with ridiculous legislation, black and white rules with no
>>> allowance for grey areas, bureaucracy and people with blinkers on
>>> ........................................ Need I say anymore
>>> ..................... all of this together is making our job at
>>> Canalside almost unbearable.
>>>
>>> I'm not a happy bunny at the moment. But I'm a fighter and I'll
>>> plod on. Sadly, that's all we are doing ................ Plodding.
>>>
>>> Regards to all
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
>>> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Phil
>>> Gibbons
>>> *Sent:* 02 September 2009 22:56
>>> *To:* Stevensuttie at aol.com; cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Appeal to all Station Managers / Project
>>> Leaders
>>>
>>> Steven,
>>>
>>> I'm all for open debate and fully support this forum, petition and
>>> the call for signatures. I do however (as you fully expected -
>>> //If you feel that my outburst is rude, unnecessary, offensive or
>>> wide of the mark - please feel free to mock me and tell me why
>>> right here on the CMA mailing list//), feel the need to reply to
>>> your post, some comments of which are totally outrageous - unless
>>> of course I have missed the 'irony' in your comments:
>>>
>>> //Obviously, the people who are at the forefront of running
>>> community radio are a bunch of lazy, self serving morons who
>>> deserve to be sacked for being so inept that they cannot even
>>> manage to get their people to sign a flipping petition on a
>>> computer! //Highly abusive, unnecessary and downright insulting to
>>> the many hardworking and committed project and station managers
>>> who work tirelessly with and for the community. Their people??
>>>
>>> //To me it simply demonstrates that the fortunate people who have
>>> inherited the job of running community radio are lazy, self
>>> serving and half hearted.// //And a bit rubbish actually!// Its an
>>> embarrassment. For the record I have been facilitating a community
>>> radio project in Bristol for six years now and am certainly not
>>> lazy, self serving or half hearted, and neither am I a bit
>>> rubbish. Sweeping statements like this do nothing to create a good
>>> cohesive sector. If we embarrass you so much, the factory is
>>> calling you!
>>>
>>> //But get your bloody finger out and get the petition signed by
>>> ALL your team and partners first. XXX. //Doesn't even warrant a
>>> response.
>>>
>>> If this is the sort of post that is going to be on this forum then
>>> I don't hold much hope for the continuation of constructive
>>> debate. If we can't have decent posts, then I shall simply
>>> unsubscribe from the list.
>>>
>>> Please think very seriously before posting damaging and
>>> insulting garbage like this again Steven.
>>>
>>> With slightly fewer regards,
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> Phil Gibbons - Station Manager
>>> phil at bcfm.org.uk </mc/compose?to=phil at bcfm.org.uk>
>>> Bristol 's Community radio station - Your voice - Your choice!
>>> 93.2fm in Bristol
>>> Online at: www.bcfm.org.uk <http://www.bcfm.org.uk>
>>>
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>>> Awards 2009**
>>>
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* Stevensuttie at aol.com
>>> </mc/compose?to=Stevensuttie at aol.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>>> </mc/compose?to=cma-l at commedia.org.uk>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:56 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [cma-l] Appeal to all Station Managers / Project
>>> Leaders
>>>
>>> Hands up if you are sick hearing about the number
>>> 10 petition.
>>>
>>> Crikey... that's a lot of hands!
>>>
>>> Obviously, the people who are at the forefront of running
>>> community radio are a bunch of lazy, self serving morons who
>>> deserve to be sacked for being so inept that they cannot even
>>> manage to get their people to sign a flipping petition on a
>>> computer!
>>>
>>> I know first hand how hard it is to manage a community radio
>>> service. Theres not enough hours in the day... theres always
>>> something that still needs doing... and theres always somebody
>>> who needs you to do something that you can't justify the time
>>> for. I guess lots of you are struggling to find the time for
>>> this petition. Indeed, reading this here e-mail.
>>>
>>> I see that some of our "colleagues" in Scotland
>>> don't want to
>>> sign the petition because they feel aggrieved at Government
>>> policy regarding community radio, and won't see any benefits.
>>> (They weren't moaning when they first got their licenses
>>> though?) Some station managers have not bothered e-mailing
>>> their volunteers the link. But, they've signed it themselves.
>>> Some managers haven't even heard about it?
>>>
>>> My job involves working 7 days a week. I have volunteers
>>> phoning me up "for a chat" at half ten at night! But, despite
>>> the long hours, the hard days, the boring meetings... I know I
>>> am lucky enough to have the best job in the world and I am
>>> eternally grateful to community radio for giving me a chance
>>> to get out of the factory. Community radio has provided me a
>>> job where no two days are the same, where there is always fun
>>> and excitement, and massive rewards, every day.
>>>
>>> I particularly love the fact that my job offers me
>>> the chance
>>> to get paid for having a great time giving others a great
>>> time. I love it that over 120 people a week have a highlight
>>> to look forward to, and that tens of listeners enjoy listening!
>>>
>>> I'm not too arrogant to realise that the factory
>>> still exists
>>> and I could go back there at anytime.
>>>
>>> I thought that all station managers in the sector would feel
>>> as passionate, and feel fortunate to be in such a bloody
>>> great position. But this official government petition episode
>>> demonstrates that there is a lot of complacent and
>>> lackadaisical people working in, and - more importantly
>>> managing community radio.
>>>
>>> How can any manager not see the benefits in urging their
>>> volunteers, partners, listeners and supporters to sign a
>>> petition that is asking for greater support for the sector?
>>> Its absolutely bonkers that only 2,170 people can be arsed to
>>> sign this petition despite countless reminders, e-mails and
>>> phone calls. To me it simply demonstrates that the fortunate
>>> people who have inherited the job of running community radio
>>> are lazy, self serving and half hearted. And a bit rubbish
>>> actually! Its an embarrassment.
>>>
>>> Every station manager, volunteer co-ordinator, chairman,
>>> cleaner et al has a duty to urge EVERY practitioner to sign
>>> the damn petition. Keep the PC on the site and drag EVERY
>>> volunteer to it if needs be. Just bloody do it... or lets all
>>> admit that we are actually quite an embarrassing bunch of
>>> bores who can't even get 10% of our people to click a link and
>>> press a few keys on a keyboard.
>>>
>>> If you feel that my outburst is rude, unnecessary, offensive
>>> or wide of the mark - please feel free to mock me and tell me
>>> why right here on the CMA mailing list.
>>>
>>> But get your bloody finger out and get the petition
>>> signed by
>>> ALL your team and partners first. XXX
>>>
>>> *Kindest Regards
>>> Steve Suttie
>>> Station Manager, 94.4FM Salford City Radio*
>>> office* 0161 793 2939 *
>>> mobile *07772 355 852**
>>> WINNERS - Community Award - Salford Business Awards 2009**
>>> Visit our Website **www.salfordcityradio.org
>>> <http://www.salfordcityradio.org/listen.asx>*
>>>
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