<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Useful!</div><div><br></div>The OFCOM document published today inviting applications for new CR stations in unserved areas includes a list of what OFCOM considers to be Small Scale Commercial stations <a href="https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/104651/invitation-overlapping-areas.pdf?utm_source=updates&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=community-radio">https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/104651/invitation-overlapping-areas.pdf?utm_source=updates&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=community-radio</a><div><br></div><div>Clive Glover</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 18 Jul 2017, at 11:03, Tony Bailey wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The words "Small Scale" are a clue -
think Sallie - from the ranks of which came opposition to DAB
national or local, mainly on cost (but probably also coverage)
grounds. It's not surprising that they had some input to the
SSDAB proposals as thereby exists the opportunity to completely
abandon FM when the time comes. The recent legislation is
supposed to be confined to multiplex licensing but notes to the
bill suggest a knock on to the digital programme licences.
Presumably the guarantee of a community slot will carry with it
the CR licence conditions. Opens up the question of do you
abandon that in favour of a "commercial community slot"?<br>
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Nick, <br>
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The feasibility study for SSDAB which sites mpx at the existing
community and commercial locations has one each in your location,
for "The Thread" and "Silk FM" so presumably you can get equal
coverage! Hopefully it will be affordable....<br>
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Regards, Tony Bailey<br>
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On 17/07/17 16:15, Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio wrote:<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Nick</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>There most definitely are ‘small’
(indeed super-micro) commercial stations that are also
community broadcasters. We are one of them! </span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Community radio in the UK started out
in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland long before the
Radio Authority developed community radio licensing as such,
and so we all had no option but to go for full commercial
licences. Despite being commercially licensed, we are
constituted not for profit, volunteer staffed, and operating
solely for community benefit, and all are wholly local,
independent of any larger radio groupings.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I think there are a number of small
actually commercial stations that are independent and
locally-based, that could make perfectly acceptable partners
in an SSDAB multiplex.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Alex</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>PS There is also another potential
partner here in the northwest – the BBC! In Scotland the
BBC’s multiplexes do not have sufficient capacity even for
their own national services (bear in mind we have six BBC
national services here, not four). In more urban areas they
get around this by renting additional capacity on the
commercial multiplexes, but there are no commercial
multiplexes in the less populated areas, so we do not get
all the BBC services on DAB. Renting out capacity to the
(non-profit) BBC could significantly improve the viability
of SSDAB in remote areas, just as in some other areas
sharing with small independent commercial stations could.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>
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Behalf Of </b>Canalside Community Radio Ltd<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 July 2017 10:19<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] update DAB</span></p>
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</div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear All (FAO – Mike / Nigel / David</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have found the section that aroused
the ‘been thinking’</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________</span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">This study finally considers the possible
extension of small scale small scale DAB to the whole of the
UK. Our approach has been to group existing analogue
Community radio and small commercial radio services by area,
with a view to examining the technical feasibility of
developing a frequency plan which would allow them to be
carried on small scale DAB<span></span></p>
</div><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I was clearly somewhat confused by
the ‘’’and small commercial radio
services’’’ ? I didn’t write this, Ofcom
did.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>The thinking was the same as it has
always been --- either one is a Community Broadcaster or a
Commercial Broadcaster (you can’t be both) if Small
Scale DAB was Community Radio FM/AM/Internet then I
just took it as read. No need to go scrolling through Bills
or listening to debates.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>As I put in one of my posts, I did
ask a question to which there was no reply or answer. The
question was :- I don’t think there are any (as such)
small Commercial FM Stations ? they don’t exist. I use the
analogy because in the case of selective memory loss, this
was one of the original arguments in relation to
restrictions. Commercial Stations claiming that they were
‘’’small’’’ ‘’’tiny’’’’ and that their commercial
viability was threatened. This was happening even though
many of them were part of larger groups. These numbers have
changed dramatically over the years, with nearly ALL
Commercial Stations now part of bigger conglomerates.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>So in a Nutshell and in relation to
this whole debate, there are no small Commercial Stations,
they may claim to be, but that’s a matter of opinion.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sorry to everyone for appearing to be
argumentative, but I felt clarification was needed as I
thought Small Scale DAB was for Small Scale FM/AM ie:-
Community Radio I saw it as ‘foot in the door’
…. possibly the back door </span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Here endeth the debate, I’ll go and
sit in the naughty boys corner again and get on with some
work as the Students have just arrived. Also, when you have
a dug a big hole for yourself, as the saying says ‘’stop
digging’’ sadly I don’t feel I am in a hole, anything
but.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Let’s have the discussion again in 12
months time and see how the land lies, there are only two
options, it will either be all hunky dory in the garden or
it will have gone slightly off-piste …. Trouble is it will
be too late to get it back on-piste.</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Onwards and Upwards.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Nick</span></b></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><Mail Attachment.jpeg></span></span><span></span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Canalside Community Radio Ltd.</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Canal 2B, </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Clarence Mill, </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Bollington,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Cheshire,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>SK10 5JZ</span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>01625 576689</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:office@canalsideradio.net"><span>office@canalsideradio.net</span></a><span></span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.canalsideradio.net/"><span>www.canalsideradio.net</span></a><span></span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><Mail Attachment.jpeg></span></span><span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.twitter.com/canalsideradio"><span>www.twitter.com/canalsideradio</span></a><span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.facebook.com/canalsideradio"><span>www.facebook.com/canalsideradio</span></a><span></span></p><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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