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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then the age old argument kicks in that we’re paying twice ! I buy a CD from Uncle Elton for £10 quid, broadcast it, 500 more folk go and buy it and then some money making racket who he’s signed up to charge me for the pleasure ???! it’s got to be the best system in the World. I always thought if you buy it it becomes yours to do what the hell you want with it. As always though the ‘Piracy’ argument gets dragged into the debate. If the ‘’’work’’’ has been ‘Pirated’ or ‘nicked’ ‘thieved’ ‘half-hinched’ then it doesn’t belong to you. Artists, song writers, publishers, record companies get their monies and dues from what they sell, AND YES they deserved to be paid for it ….. it’s quite simple really ….. it’s made deliberately difficult because it is what I said at the outset ……….. a money making racket that is conveniently backed up by certain laws.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So far as James final point goes just for the record ---- I don’t use PPL material that I/We don’t like, so basically they don’t get their lolly …. We PURCHASE / BUY material we do like and we promote it. A nice two way street, we help them, they help us …. Trouble is, at the end of the deal they send us a Bill.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sorry guys and gals, I know we’re lumped with it and that’s life, but I’m sticking to my beliefs it’s never right in the memory of man<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nick HD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Cridland<br><b>Sent:</b> 31 May 2017 00:17<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk>; martin@martinsteers.co.uk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] News release from PPL<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>>I didn’t suggest the artists shouldn’t be paid – they would in effect be invited to effectively donate 0.1% of their dues<o:p></o:p></p><p>PPL is for record companies, not artists. It's up to record companies how they pay their artists, not PPL.<o:p></o:p></p><p>PPL does blanket deals on behalf of the record companies. So, if you want to change how PPL charges, start with the record companies, not PPL.<o:p></o:p></p><p>As ever, if you don't want to pay your PPL bill, you don't have to. Just don't broadcast any PPL repertoire. And if you're claiming that would be impossible, look at every single podcast out there and wonder how they get billions of downloads without any PPL repertoire...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed., 31 May 2017, 03:21 Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio, <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I didn’t suggest the artists shouldn’t be paid – they would in effect be invited to effectively donate 0.1% of their dues to support a worthy sector that works for social gain, supports smaller artists, is tightly regulated and easily identified. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Also bear in mind only 40% of the PPL distribution goes to the performers – the majority of it is distributed to the big record labels whose interests PPL primarily serves.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I don’t think Glastonbury and co would be greatly affected since they are mostly live performance – not much of Glastobury is playback of phonographic recordings is it?!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Fetes, villages halls etc are generally already on lower cost flat rate licences.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Alex</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Steers<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 May 2017 17:48<br><b>To:</b> CMA-Mailing-List <<a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] News release from PPL</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Do we not believe that artists should receive due renumeration for their work? Would we expect all our staff to work for little or nothing?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also what about all the other not for profit activities, fates, events and isn't Glastonbury technically not for profit?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I like the idealism and if we could get some big name artists to agree or propose it.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On May 30, 2017 5:39 PM, "Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio" <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ha, I’ll collect the award later Nick.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>But seriously, it does show that PPL has plenty of scope to propose to its members that they could introduce a social benefit licence scheme for very little cost by offering a low cost flat-fee (say £200) licence to stations constituted to operate not-for-profit and for social gain.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>A back of the envelope calculation suggests this might drop their revenue from £212.1m to £211.8m (ie by about 0.15%).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>So it would make the tiniest difference to their bottom line, while making a big difference to many hard-pressed community operations, while PPL would get the publicity kudos of showing what excellent public benefit-minded souls they are, and also support stations that tend to give more exposure to their less well-known and less well-heeled members.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Must go now – I want to try and get a photo of the pig that just passed my window.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Alex</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> </span><a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US> [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Canalside Community Radio Ltd<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 May 2017 15:39</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><br><b>To:</b> 'The Community Media Association Discussion List' <</span><a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Subject:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Re: [cma-l] News release from PPL</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>Alex</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'>If you going for the wind-up-merchant of the year award 2017 I think you’ve just won it LOL :</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal 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