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</head><body><p>No, I don't think it's that simple James. </p><p>Although PPL's primary purpose may be to serve the interests of the big record labels, as I said, but as well as 6,000 or so record label members, it also has over 65,000 performer members.</p><p>PPL's published figures show about 40% going to performers. It may well be that they are using spin, but since Martin specifically referred to the artists getting paid (or not) in the context of PPL revenues I took PPL's figures for what proportion of their revenue they say goes to performers. </p><p>Reporting on the 2015 financial year, for example, the PPL chairman said "2015 saw record levels of collections and distributions. A total of £197 million was collected whilst distributable revenue grew over 5% to £169.8 million, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">of which £69.9 million was for performers</span>." [my emphasis].</p><p>He also said: "To give you a measure of the sheer growth and progress we have made: ten years ago these numbers were £97.9 million (collections) and £84.4 million (total distributable revenue). <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Last year over 65,000 performers received at least one payment from PPL</span> ... "</p><p>I understand that to enable this distribution PPL has now made it mandatory for mandatory for recording rights holders to provide it with basic performer line-up information for all UK-commissioned 2016 releases, and it was probably a factor in the joint venture agreements between PPL and PRSfM. PPL also has a secondary board purely for considering performer-related matters, in addition to the main company board.</p><p>Alex</p><blockquote type="cite">On 31 May 2017 at 00:16 James Cridland <james@cridland.net> wrote:<br><br><p>>I didn’t suggest the artists shouldn’t be paid – they would in effect be invited to effectively donate 0.1% of their dues</p><p>PPL is for record companies, not artists. It's up to record companies how they pay their artists, not PPL.</p><p>PPL does blanket deals on behalf of the record companies. So, if you want to change how PPL charges, start with the record companies, not PPL.</p><p>As ever, if you don't want to pay your PPL bill, you don't have to. Just don't broadcast any PPL repertoire. And if you're claiming that would be impossible, look at every single podcast out there and wonder how they get billions of downloads without any PPL repertoire...</p><br><div class="ox-c968b3fd54-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed., 31 May 2017, 03:21 Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio, <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div><div class="ox-c968b3fd54-m_8760646115960638203WordSection1"><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">I didn’t suggest the artists shouldn’t be paid – they would in effect be invited to effectively donate 0.1% of their dues to support a worthy sector that works for social gain, supports smaller artists, is tightly regulated and easily identified. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Also bear in mind only 40% of the PPL distribution goes to the performers – the majority of it is distributed to the big record labels whose interests PPL primarily serves.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">I don’t think Glastonbury and co would be greatly affected since they are mostly live performance – not much of Glastobury is playback of phonographic recordings is it?!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Fetes, villages halls etc are generally already on lower cost flat rate licences.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Alex<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Martin Steers<br><strong>Sent:</strong> 30 May 2017 17:48<br><strong>To:</strong> CMA-Mailing-List <<a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>></span></p></div></div><div><div class="ox-c968b3fd54-m_8760646115960638203WordSection1"><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [cma-l] News release from PPL<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div class="ox-c968b3fd54-m_8760646115960638203WordSection1"><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal">Do we not believe that artists should receive due renumeration for their work? Would we expect all our staff to work for little or nothing?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal">Also what about all the other not for profit activities, fates, events and isn't Glastonbury technically not for profit?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal">I like the idealism and if we could get some big name artists to agree or propose it.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div class="ox-c968b3fd54-m_8760646115960638203WordSection1"><div><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal">On May 30, 2017 5:39 PM, "Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio" <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div class="ox-c968b3fd54-m_8760646115960638203WordSection1"><div><div><blockquote><div><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Ha, I’ll collect the award later Nick.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">But seriously, it does show that PPL has plenty of scope to propose to its members that they could introduce a social benefit licence scheme for very little cost by offering a low cost flat-fee (say £200) licence to stations constituted to operate not-for-profit and for social gain.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">A back of the envelope calculation suggests this might drop their revenue from £212.1m to £211.8m (ie by about 0.15%).</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">So it would make the tiniest difference to their bottom line, while making a big difference to many hard-pressed community operations, while PPL would get the publicity kudos of showing what excellent public benefit-minded souls they are, and also support stations that tend to give more exposure to their less well-known and less well-heeled members.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Must go now – I want to try and get a photo of the pig that just passed my window.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Alex</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border: none; border-top: solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Canalside Community Radio Ltd<br><strong>Sent:</strong> 30 May 2017 15:39<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><br><strong>To:</strong> 'The Community Media Association Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [cma-l] News release from PPL<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; color: black;">Alex</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; color: black;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; color: black;">If you going for the wind-up-merchant of the year award 2017     I think you’ve just won it    LOL   :</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; color: black;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; color: #222a35;">Nick</span></strong><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; color: #222a35;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; color: #222a35;"><img border="0" width="242" height="149" id="ox-c968b3fd54-m_8760646115960638203m_3633386419382601492Picture_x0020_1" src="" alt="webmainlogo" style="width: 242px; height: 149px;"></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-c968b3fd54-MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic',sans-serif; 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