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<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>As I've understood it, if a station was allowed advertising, it
could generate up to 50% of it's income by advertising - but
remember that as Alex noted, this is "broadcast" income - if I
sponsor your website, or an OB caravan etc, that's not "broadcast
income" whereas advertising in your programmes is.</p>
<p>The £15,000 is a recent addition by the authorities which now
allows you to earn £15,000 + 50%<br>
</p>
So if your income is £50K, 50% is £25K.<br>
£50K - £25K means that you used to be able to sell adverts to the
tune of £25K.<br>
<br>
Now, you disregard the 1st £15K and 50% of the remaining £35K is
£17.5K.<br>
£50K - £17.5K means that you can now sell adverts to the tune of
£32.5K.<br>
<br>
I hope....! :-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Eddie<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="0">KCR broadcasts across Moray and beyond on 107.7FM
and to the world on the internet at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://kcr.fm">http://kcr.fm</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.facebook.com/KCR107.7/">https://www.facebook.com/KCR107.7/</a>
KCR is the operating name of Keith Community Radio Ltd.
Registered in Scotland: No SC 173805
Registered Office: 59a Land Street, Keith, Banffshire, AB55 5AN</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/04/17 16:42, ROBERT TYLER wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Thanks Alex</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Did i see a maximum figer of £15,000 somewhere?</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Is so, where does that come from?</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>BT</span></div>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
"Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk"><tlr@gairloch.co.uk></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'ROBERT TYLER' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com"><bobtyler@btinternet.com></a>; 'The
Community Media Association Discussion List'
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style="font-weight: bold;"
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_46907">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, 28 April 2017, 16:39<br>
<b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_46915"><span
style="font-weight: bold;"
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_46914">Subject:</span></b>
RE: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom - tomorrow<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;"
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_46917">Bob</span></div>
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id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_46922"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;"
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_46923">I
don’t think anything has changed - the cap has
always included all broadcast income as far as
I know. That’s sponsorship and advertising –
but note it is <b>broadcast</b> income – ie
sponsorship that derives directly from the
provision of broadcasts, such as programme
sponsorship, advert spots etc. </span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;"
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_46925">As
far as I know, though I stand to be corrected,
it doesn’t cover sponsorship of other
activities with no mention in broadcasts, for
example sponsorship of the station website or
grants etc that don’t give rise to commercial
credits on air.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">As for the Act, it
does indeed mention sponsorship income. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">Section 262
Community Radio:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:9.0pt;">(3) <span
style="background:#EFF5F5;">An order under
this section in relation to a description
of services may, in particular, impose
prohibitions or limitations on the
inclusion of advertisements in services of
that description and on the sponsorship of
programmes included in the services.</span></span></span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;">…</span></div>
<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"><span
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">In fact, the Act
rarely mentions advertising without saying
“advertising and sponsorship”, not just in the
CR section.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"><span
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ROBERT TYLER<br
clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> 28 April 2017 15:31<br
clear="none">
<b>To:</b> The Community Media
Association Discussion List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk"><cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk></a><br
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom -
tomorrow</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style="">Regarding
the £15,000 max of sponsorship and
advertising, can anyone explain this to
me?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style="">I
thought the 2003 Communication Act
did not mention sponsorship income?</span></div>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Bill
Best <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:bill.best@commedia.org.uk"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:bill.best@commedia.org.uk">bill.best@commedia.org.uk</a>><br
clear="none">
<b>To:</b> The Community Media
Association Discussion List <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
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target="_blank"
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 28 April
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<b
id="yiv2355206287yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493389572858_4700">Subject:</b>
Re: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom - tomorrow</span><span
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evidence that they knew they
would be called to account
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<div
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style="">On 28 April
2017 at 12:32, Ian
Hickling <<a
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Interesting that Ofcom made an
important
announcement
this morning:<br
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data/assets/pdf_file/0020/ 101459/community-radio-future-
licensing-technical-policy-
statement.pdf</a></span></div>
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<div
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going in to
a meeting to
discuss all of
that - and a
few other
vital points.</span></div>
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Coincidence?<br
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<b>Sent:</b> 28
April 2017
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<b>Subject:</b>
[cma-l] FW:
Ofcom - tomorrow</span><span
style=""> </span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Dear People of
Great
Loveliness</span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Not forgetting
a troop of
(few) other
Stations who
were
hoodwinked at
the outset as
to what area
they were
meant to be
covering,
mind-boggled
with jargon,
led up the
garden path,
pecked at by
(let’s use
James’s
phrase)
childish
moronic folk
who lobbied to
introduce
restrictions
(which by the
way DID affect
the set up)
and still does
indirectly
affect
operation as
we still have
to deal with
all the
baggage and
leftovers from
the mess
(and I
don’t want any
so called
experts trying
to tell me
otherwise as
we [canalside]
lived it,
breathed it
and have the
T-Shirt to
prove it)
but alas, we
have the
Commercials /
Experts who we
have been told
recently
‘apparently’
‘’’want to
help us’’’ </span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Actions speak
louder than
words, so the
best thing
everyone can
do is go back
to square one,
start how we
ought to have
started and
then all the
angst and
frustration
gets put to
bed, we
forgive and
forget and
move on
YES as a
Radio
Fraternity,
each with our
own roles to
play.</span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Let’s ask the
same
questions, but
wheel in the
Man from Del
Monte coz ‘’he
say Yes’’</span><span
style=""></span></div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Personally, I
do not have an
issue with
metaphorically
speaking being
third fiddle
as I am but a
mere insect in
all of this,
in fact I am
but a mere
insect in most
things ---
however, I
take a dim
view to being
shoved to the
back of the
queue &
being third
fiddle whilst
having our
noses rubbed
in it at the
same time.</span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="yiv2355206287MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Let us have a
bit of respect
shown to our
sector with
actions ---
not words nor
more
consultations
and then we
can ALL go to
the
hob-knobbing
gatherings on
an equal
footing.</span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">If the experts
and
commercials do
this, I will
be the first
person to give
em a great big
kiss and
parade them
around the
streets of
London in a
sedan chair.</span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">On a positive
note ---- yes
the experts
giving tips
and advice and
putting it out
there for us
all is very
good and it is
to be
applauded and
I thank them
and respect
them for that
– but you have
to see the
wider picture,
and the wider
picture is
that unless
you/we/they/DCMS/Ofcom/Uncle
Tom Cobbley
sort out the
‘’’politics’’’
implementing
the advice
ends up the
same trying to
push a 3 ton
rock up Ben
Nevis.</span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
style=""></span></div>
</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Onwards and
Upwards -----
monkeee magic
& goodwill
to all mankind</span><span
style=""></span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
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</div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Nick H Dumpty
- Chairman /
UK Crying in
the Wilderness
Society</span><span
style=""></span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
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style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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<b>Sent:</b>
28 April 2017
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [cma-l]
Ofcom -
tomorrow</span><span
style=""></span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Ian</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div>
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<div>
<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="">I again draw your attention to
Ofcom's
consultation
"Community
radio: future
licensing and
technical
policy"
published on
28th October
2016:</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">1.4 We anticipate that our
current
(third) round
of licensing
will draw to a
close in late
spring 2017,
and that
licensing of
small-scale
DAB services
may not
commence before
2018. In the
interim, we
propose to
license more
analogue
services, as
well
as consider
coverage
improvements
for existing
services. </span></div>
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href="https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-2/cr-future-licensing">https://www.ofcom.org.uk/
consultations-and-statements/ category-2/cr-future-licensing</a></span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div>
</div>
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<div>
<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="">We will be asking for further
clarification
of Ofcom's
deadline and
insisting that
Ofcom
publishes its
response to
the technical
consultation
that Sharon
White
indicated
would be
delivered by
the end of
April.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Regards</span></div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Bill</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Operations Manager</span></div>
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="">On 27 April 2017 at 11:34, Ian
Hickling <<a
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;">Open message
to <span
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style="background:#DCE6F8;">Bill Best</span></span>:</span><span
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;">Bill - we wish
you all the
best in your
meeting at
Ofcom
tomorrow.</span><span
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<div
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;">Don't forget
to stress that
there are 243
CR
broadcasters
out here - and
another
160-plus
potential
Applicants -
that have been
waiting for a
very long tome
for news of
how Ofcom is
going to
proceed with
serving this
market - and
for at least
some results
from the 33
Region 10 and
11
applications.</span><span
style=""></span></div>
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