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</head><body><p>We use a similar sort of scheme. We log hourly segments of all output at 128kbps MP3, plus wav files of all live output hours. We do that so that we have the legal logs of all output, plus high-quality recordings of all live material in case something goes out that we afterwards want to re-use or save for future re-use (eg a spontaneous interview). Of course we would get slightly better quality using AAC but MP3 is more convenient for various reasons.</p><p>The logs are streamed to a 64GB USB key, and archived as MP3 files to a mirrored pair of drives in our main file server. We archive each show just after it has been recorded, and old files are deleted automatically, maintaining a minimum buffer of free space on the memory key. That means we can generally go back to live show wave files for around 6 months, or lower quality MP3 logs forever. </p><p>A 4TB drive can hold about 15 years of 24x365 output at 64kbps, so there's a good chance a drive will fail before becoming full! For cloud storage a 1TB Dropbox account can similarly hold over 3 years worth, with the bonus that if desired it can provide online streaming 'listen again' playback for anyone who wants.</p><p>In parallel with that, we run a background job on another PC maintains 7 weeks of 64k MP3 logs of all output just as a backup in case the main log fails or becomes inaccessible for any reason. Overkill maybe, but comforting!</p><p>Alex </p><blockquote type="cite">On 04 March 2017 at 23:13 James Cridland <james@cridland.net> wrote:<br><br><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">I think my only point about file size is to answer the question "how large a hard drive should I have?" <span style="font-size: 13px;">If you wanted the answer - a 750GB hard drive should be enough.</span></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Since this software is there to run a legally-required service, the last thing you want it to do is to silently fail due to a lack of disc space.</div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">The "never delete" archive comment - I can't see any requirement to stream directly to S3 (and as you say, it's virtually impossible anyway). I'd run an hourly, daily or weekly cron job to upload the files - which you might want to ensure are in sensible folder structure (/2017/03/12/0400-0500.wav) so you don't end up with an unweildy file list. Using a separate cron job is less likely to hurt the recording process, I'm assuming.</div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Transferral to Amazon Glacier, incidentally, can be set to automatically happen after a period of days with AWS. (For those reading along - Glacier is an even cheaper place to dump your files, with the drawback that if you want them, you need to request them and they take about four hours to become available).</div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">This is good stuff - I'm sure that logging has been re-invented many times, but anything that is free and simple to use (and, most importantly, open for others to improve) is a good thing in my book!</div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">//j</div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br></div><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_quote ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">On Sat, 4 Mar 2017, 19:43 Alex Gray <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><blockquote><div dir="auto" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">If you select fixed rate (CBR) MP3 coding, then file sizes are pretty constant.  We play out most material at 256kbps, and an hour's programme is about 112MB, and the player's time to run display is accurate. <div dir="auto" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div dir="auto" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">But if instead you select variable rate (VBR) encoding the rate is adaptive to the material, and file length becomes variable according to content. Also a player's time to run display becomes only approximate, which is a big disadvantage for studio use.</div><div dir="auto" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div dir="auto" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Alex<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div dir="auto" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">But some people use</div></div></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_extra ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_quote ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">On 4 Mar 2017 08:46, Tony Bailey <<a href="mailto:ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><blockquote><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Correction: should read "mp3 files are always the same size"<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> Hello all,<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> I've no idea what this thread is all about - just one item caught my eye: file lengths - I've been playing around with an audio chunk upload using arecord with fixed file lengths and the mp3 files are always the same length, the ogg files vary according to content however.<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> Tony Bailey<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> On 03/03/17 19:58, mail wrote:<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><blockquote></blockquote></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Hi James,<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Thank you! That's really kind of you :D<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">With regard to #1:<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Being able to show a projected file size for a file of a given length, channel count, bitrate, etc is fairly straightforward for uncompressed files (such as WAV). The default settings (16-bit, 44.1kHz, stereo) recording for an hour will always produce a file of ~605MB. Compressed formats, however, are harder to predict given that the compression ratio overall depends on the content of the audio. Still, it shouldn't vary too much and a rough average figure should be sufficient - just not *perfectly* accurate.<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">See <a href="https://github.com/calmcl1/chronicle/issues/22" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://github.com/calmcl1/chronicle/issues/22</a>.<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">#2<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Not deleting archives automatically is fine (see <a href="https://github.com/calmcl1/chronicle/issues/21" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://github.com/calmcl1/chronicle/issues/21</a>) if you want to manage your archives directly, but a direct upload to S3 will take a little work, as one can't *stream* directly to S3 and must instead upload short chunks. Not impossible, though :)<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Unfortunately, a direct Glacier upload isn't possible as one must know the *exact* file size before starting - you'd have to wait for it to complete and then upload.<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Cold-storage/nearline archiving like this would be better implemented by logging to a given directory and then running an automated hourly/overnight backup operation to Glacier. I've actually got some software for that, too, called Cupo (<a href="http://github.com/calmcl1/cupo-backup" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">github.com/calmcl1/cupo-backup</a>), but that's still quite beta (though we do use it for our Myriad database backups at HCR).<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Does this help, or have I missed the point entirely?<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Cal</div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><pre class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">m: 07426 437449 e: <a href="mailto:mail@callum-mclean.co.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">mail@callum-mclean.co.uk</a> w: <a href="http://callum-mclean.co.uk/" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">callum-mclean.co.uk</a>
</pre></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">---- On Fri, 03 Mar 2017 08:08:00 +0000 <strong class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">James Cridland <a href="mailto:james@cridland.net" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank"><james@cridland.net></a></strong> wrote ----<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><blockquote><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">This is nice - have tweeted it and it'll be in my newsletter.<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Suggestion #1 is to make it clear how much space this will take on a local drive.<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Suggestion #2 is to archive to Amazon S3 or similar (or point to a cron job that will do this for you). Please don't delete archives - instead, Amazon Glacier will be a really cheap place to store every single second of your radio station that was ever broadcast. Imagine how awesome that would be.<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">J<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">On Thu., 2 Mar. 2017, 19:19 Canalside's The Thread, <<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">office@thethread.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">-- <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><a href="http://james.crid.land" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://james.crid.land</a> - get my weekly newsletter<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><a href="https://media.info" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://media.info</a> - the media information website<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Tel: +61 447 692 743 | UK: 020 7100 1811 ('till midday) | @jamescridland<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p></div></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">_______________________________________________<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Reply - <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/community_media</a> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Canstream Internet Radio & Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">_______________________________________________ <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">_______________________________________________ <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit: <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></div></div><blockquote><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">I’ll get our tekky guys Simon and Blackers onto this Cal …… might be worth a dabble and a play. I think they’ve got bored of our Train set now and need a new Toy to tinker with        J        LOL<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Nick H Dumpty / Head Bottle Washer<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Canalside Calamity Radio<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><strong class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">From:</strong> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <strong class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">On Behalf Of </strong>Cal McLean<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <strong class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Sent:</strong> 01 March 2017 22:55</p></div></div></div></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <strong class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">To:</strong> The Community Media Association Discussion List <<a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <strong class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Subject:</strong> [cma-l] Chronicle ROT Logger Beta</p></div></div></div></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p></div></div><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"> <br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Hi all,<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p></div></div><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><div class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">Forgive the shameless-self-promotion post - I was wondering if anyone in the CMA might be willing to try out a bit of software that's currently in beta (though stable enough for production use)?<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">As part of Halton Community Radio's upgrade, I ended up writing an ROT logger, since none of the options available to use particularly seemed to be good value for what we needed. It's now running on a hand-built computer in our production environment!<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">However, I always feel with the bits of software that I write that if they can be useful to me, perhaps they can be useful to other people. If anybody might want to play-test a bit of logging software, it's available at:<br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"><a href="https://calmcl1.github.io/projects/chronicle" class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://calmcl1.github.io/projects/chronicle</a><br class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg"></p><p class="ox-90a4d1f9c3-gmail_msg">The link above has much more information about the state of the software, how it came about and what I'm intending to do with it. 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