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<!--StartFragment--><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">I ran a UK Grime and Hip Hop
TV channel for many years and we had pre and post watershed versions. We tended
to make our watershed 22.00 but past midnight wasn’t overly re-versioned. We
even had very late night Whining show that regularly got very good ratings.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">Radio does not have a
watershed but time of broadcast and expectation of audience comes into play. An
urban stations audience would have the expectation, so such unedited content
would to some extent be expected.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">Here lies the time of day
question. Ten or so years ago Kiss FM 100 in London had a lot of problems with
the breakfast show .Try looking for the complaints, (they should still be
online Broadcast Bulletins 2006 - 2008 approx), it was parents driving children
to school listening on the car radio that made complaints.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">I cannot recall ever
receiving a complaint, either directly or via Ofcom, from a young person. Half
of the complaints were from a parent or guardian that entered the room whilst a
young person was watching. And the other half were generally from people who
accidently saw the channel whilst scrolling through.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">Ofcom has changed a lot and
then was more helpful with face to face guidance.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">My only advice would be to
try and find some of the previous decisions. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">Be cautious of times when
children may be listening with parents. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">Carefully re-version recordings
as clean/for broadcast ‘anytime’ and ensure unedited versions are properly
labelled so, such as ‘not for daytime’. Perhaps also a scheduling system could
make unedited version inaccessible during certain times of the day?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class="">BT<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial" class=""> </span></p>
<!--EndFragment--><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:04, David Sharp <<a href="mailto:dave.sharp@academyfmfolkestone.com" class="">dave.sharp@academyfmfolkestone.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper" id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; margin: 0px;" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Over the years we have hosted a number of shows with this type of content including urban music, metal, hip-hop, and house music containing offensive vocal samples. We have an added complication that we are based in a school, and therefore are arguably more likely to have young people listening.... and also teenage listeners who want to hear some of the more edgy music.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Broadly speaking, our approach is:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We have a presenter handbook that all presenters read and sign, giving guidance on what is possible and what's not. One important thing I try to get them to understand though, is that they should always check songs and always ask me for guidance. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">I recommend you have a policy and stick to it, even if you have to be harsh. I have unfortunately had to dismiss volunteers for not checking songs and broadcasting some unsuitable songs. This sends out a strong message that we take the issue seriously.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No bad language at all before 9pm. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Shows after 9pm that contain bad language include language-warning messages twice an hour. Regarding the nature of the language.... I don't mind a s**t or two before 10pm. It's only after 11pm that I'd be OK with stronger language, and even then there would be language-warnings, and I would have to trust the presenter to communicate with me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am sure some have slipped though the net - I can't listen 24/7. But if you have a process in place, and made the presenter sign the Handbook, then I assume Ofcom is going to treat any complaint more leniantly. I would be interested to hear of anyone with actual experience of dealing with Ofcom regarding this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It's not just about swearing. There are hip-hop songs out there with no swear words, but still discuss blowing people away with automatic weapons, and 'hoes' (not the gardening type). Presenters need to know this is also potentially offensive.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All presenters are briefed that if one 'slips through the net' then they apologise immediately. This is then followed by a discussion where I explain that it should not be a net, but a bag ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The question we always get to is 'what is offensive and what is not'. This can only be decided by the management of an individual station, knowing their Target Audience, show times, how easily offended the listeners are, and procedure for language-warnings and perhaps a list of 'banned' words. This is best illustrated by Radio 3, which has some of the most prudish listeners in the day yet gets away with broadcasting some properly filthy stuff occasinoally in the evenings, all appropriately flagged.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I think it should be applauded that Community stations broadcast challenging shows. I believe the BBC has a published list of (researched) relative offence given by specific words - I know it's the BBC and they are governed in a different way, but it makes interesting reading....I can't find the link ATM but perhaps someone else has it.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dave </div><div class=""><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma;" class="">--</span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><strong class=""><em class="">Dave Sharp</em></strong></font></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><em class="">Station Manager</em></font></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><em class="">105.9 Academy FM Folkestone</em></font></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><em style="font-family: arial; font-size: small;" class="">Mobile: 07811 407635</em></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><em class=""><font face="times new roman" size="2" class="">Folkestone office: 01303 721059 (Ext.4)</font></em></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><em class=""><font face="times new roman" size="2" class="">Internal Folkestone Academy: x2499</font></em></div><div class=""><a tabindex="0" href="mailto:dave.sharp@academyfmfolkestone.com" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small;" class=""><em class="">dave.sharp@academyfmfolkestone.com</em></a></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><font face="arial" size="2" class=""></font> </div></div></div></div><br class=""><div style="color: rgb(40, 40, 40);" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 861.40625px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" class="">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" class="">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>> on behalf of Neil Munday <<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com" class="">neilm@susyradio.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>19 February 2017 16:00<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Community Media Association Discussion List<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cma-l] Attn: Urban stations.... language?</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div class="">There you go you know the answer! </div><div class="">But with the code of offensive words and sayings having just been revised and most teenagers ( children) being up to the small hours when is a good time to put this type of music in the playlist?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Neil<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <<a href="mailto:rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org" class="">rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_msg">That is just factually incorrect Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states:<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">"<span class="gmail_msg" style="color: rgb(29, 33, 41); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16.08px; background-color: rgb(246, 247, 249);">Ofcom recognises that music is a fundamental component of radio programming. In addition, we recognise that there is a tradition of certain genres of music including potentially offensive lyrics in songs. In line with the broadcaster’s right to freedom of expression and the audience’s right to receive information and ideas, it is important that broadcasters have the editorial freedom to broadcast potentially offensive content, provided it complies with the Code."</span><br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">The only thing the code says is that it shouldn't go out at times when children are likely to be listening.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Therefore it's down to the station to decide if they want it to be part of their sound / is it what their audience want to hear.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Hence my question to other urban stations who are likely to have a similar audience to us.</div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:32 PM Neil Munday <<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">neilm@susyradio.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_msg">It's simple there's the Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There is no watershed on radio (at the moment) therefore the answer is No you can't play any. But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter should already know that that has been key to broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can remember. </div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Neil </div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <<a href="mailto:rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_msg">Hello,<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">I'm interested in hearing what policies urban music stations put in place for bad language in songs.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">E.g. for hip hop music, over half the genre includes offensive language and if you're an urban station with specialist (late night) hip hop shows, do you allow this music to be played? 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