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<p>I always thought that it was what was "appropriate" and an
audience "might expect"....</p>
<p>So, on a rap station in South London, at midnight, my expectation
would be that there might well be swear words.</p>
<p>Conversely, at drivetime on a more middle of the road station, I
wouldn't have that expectation so it wouldn’t be appropriate.</p>
<p>That said, I am still convinced that even the slightly moderated
version of Lady Gaga, Poker Face, still has the f-word after 'poke
her face' and gets played daytime on Radio 2...!!! (& she is
on video on You-Tube boasting that she fooled the world over that
one)<br>
</p>
But like I said, I got the impression that the key words were
"expectation" & "appropriate" - it goes beyond swear words.....
- see song lyrics below... <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
<br>
Eddie<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/11/11 12:29, Eddie Stuart
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:4EAFE61B.4030005@kcr.fm" type="cite"> It's
not just explicit songs - I'd use the word "appropriate"<br>
<br>
I think that we'd all agree that the Glasgow station who tried
to say that the Fword was every day speech and that panini
didn't mean a certain body part was having a laugh and were
rightly kicked.<br>
<br>
However, the danger is that we get knee-jerk reactions that have
unintended consequences. Ban Eminem, but then you knock out the
song that made Dido famous and is OK.<br>
<br>
You really need someone of the right age to vet a lot of rap and
similar stuff - I am old enough to saythat I would have probably
caught panini - especially given the words around it, but a lot
of street slang is just way beyond my ken - both musically (?!!)
and lyrically.<br>
<br>
We have a lot of Gaelic up here and a wonderful column in
yesterdays Aberdeen Press & Journal commented on the ATM in
East London using Cockney rhyming slang and asking why the
Gaelic Mafia weren't agitating for their version up here. The
columnist points out that in Gaelic rhyming slang a withdrawal
would be a "cnap" - literally a lump of money, ie a wad of cash.
Unfortunately for non-Gaels, the "n" is pronounced here as an
"r" and would thus sound like the word that got Paul Simon's
"Kodachrome" banned when it was first released.<br>
<br>
The English nickname "Bot" caused total hilarity with Gaelic
speaking school kids in Stornoway many years ago as they
couldn't believe that anyone, let alone a visiting Deputy
Headmaster, was openly called "*rse".<br>
<br>
Eric Bogle, much loved as an artist by many of our older
Presenters, has a song "Guns, Guns, Guns" which is a mickey take
on the American way of life. The day after Dunblane or the
recent Tomintoul Gamekeeper tragedy, many people and possibly
Ofcom would probably regard that song as at least as
inapproriate as the Fword!<br>
<br>
I wouldn't play "I Predict A Riot" the night that Tottenham
burned and hope that everyone else was that sensible. But if
you're using an automated playout system out of hours.....?? Do
you watch the news and then quickly scan your entire music
collection?<br>
<br>
So yes, you should certainly vet music and not load/play certain
tracks. The Fword is an obvious one. But you also need to stress
"appropriateness", not just a very narrow "explicit"<br>
<br>
You also need to accept that with the best will in the world,
something will go wrong once in a while and have procedures in
place to handle it. The Fword is easy, others become more
subjective and station specific.<br>
<br>
That's my personal opinion, anyway.<br>
<br>
Must go now and finish my playlist for tonight - hmm, now which
excellent track by my favourite female rock band Fanny shall we
start with?</blockquote>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/11/11 14:20, Julian Mellor
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:2CE7532A-BC73-44B4-BD61-642BF6594D6C@10radio.org"
type="cite">Very well said Eddie.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre. At
face value the word may be innocent, but to the attuned ear it
could be very lude, rude or even abusive. And that gets even
more complex when it's combined with street slang (what was
that word anyway?), or street slang from other languages
(there's an urban track I want to play from Marseille, sung in
a mixture of French and Algerian Arabic - can anyone translate
to make sure it's safe?).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Maybe we should just keep safe and select only from the
Classic Gold playlist.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Julian</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/11/11 14:36, Eddie Stuart
wrote:<br>
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Hmm - a Classic playlist, eh?<br>
<br>
This is from a 1948 song by Bull Moose Jackson which I wouldn't
want to justify to any feminists.....<br>
<br>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial;
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-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px;
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I want a bow legged Woman
that's all
I want a bow legged Woman that's all
I'll fall in love with Her right from the start
Because her big fat Legs are so far apart
I want a bow legged
Woman right now
I want to find me A gal somehow
She's gotta be built like an ol' bass fiddle
Big bow legs and a hole in the middle
Gotta be on my way,
To find a bow legged Woman today.</span>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/02/17 16:32, Rhys Phillips (Radio
Cardiff) wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOjwVU-KGssLu+LD6MKhQcusnAUGDkRa5oS6uTwku2Myg8XJdA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">No we don't know "the answer". My question wasn't
"what is allowed by Ofcom?". My question was "what do other
urban stations do?".
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<div>We, as an urban music station want to make a decision on
this (we've allowed bad language late at night up until now)
and if we are going to change it, we want to know what other
similar stations are doing to help us benchmark where we sit. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM Neil Munday <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com">neilm@susyradio.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_msg">There you go you know the answer! </div>
<div class="gmail_msg">But with the code of offensive words
and sayings having just been revised and most teenagers (
children) being up to the small hours when is a good time to
put this type of music in the playlist?</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Neil</div>
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<div class="gmail_msg">On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 at 15:58, Rhys
Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org"
class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org</a>>
wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_msg">That is just factually incorrect
Neil. Ofcom guidance clearly states:
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_msg">"<span
style="color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16.08px;background-color:rgb(246,247,249)"
class="gmail_msg">Ofcom recognises that music is a
fundamental component of radio programming. In
addition, we recognise that there is a tradition
of certain genres of music including potentially
offensive lyrics in songs. In line with the
broadcaster’s right to freedom of expression and
the audience’s right to receive information and
ideas, it is important that broadcasters have the
editorial freedom to broadcast potentially
offensive content, provided it complies with the
Code."</span><br class="gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg">The only thing the code
says is that it shouldn't go out at times when
children are likely to be listening.</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Therefore it's down to the
station to decide if they want it to be part of
their sound / is it what their audience want to
hear.</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Hence my question to other
urban stations who are likely to have a similar
audience to us.</div>
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<div class="gmail_msg">On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at
3:32 PM Neil Munday <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com"
class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">neilm@susyradio.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_msg">It's simple there's the
Ofcom code for FM/AM/DAB broadcasters. There
is no watershed on radio (at the moment)
therefore the answer is No you can't play any.
But you as a broadcaster and or a presenter
should already know that that has been key to
broadcasting in the U.K as far back as I can
remember. </div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Neil </div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_msg">On Sun, 19 Feb 2017
at 15:21, Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff)
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org"
class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">rhys.phillips@radiocardiff.org</a>>
wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_msg">Hello,
<div class="gmail_msg"><br
class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">I'm interested in
hearing what policies urban music
stations put in place for bad language
in songs.</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br
class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">E.g. for hip hop
music, over half the genre includes
offensive language and if you're an
urban station with specialist (late
night) hip hop shows, do you allow
this music to be played? Or do you
insist on only clean stuff going out?</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><br
class="gmail_msg">
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Rhys</div>
</div>
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