<div dir="ltr">Good afternoon<div><br></div><div><div>Nick, you said:</div><div><br></div><div>> In a nutshell, why do you have to apply for a licence to allow you to</div><div>> do something with something that you have already paid for ??? </div><div>> it’s bonkers ! I can’t think of any other system like it ………………</div><div>> …… can you ? </div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Purchasing a CD does not confer to you any rights of broadcast - for which you need a separate licence. If you look at any CD that you own it will say on it "All rights reserved" meaning that the original creator of the work still owns every right to the material i.e. they have not given away the right, among others, to broadcast the material.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">An example of something similar, as you asked, is if you buy a licence for some software that doesn't give you the right to do anything that you like with that software such as share it. You would not have the right to upload a copy of that software to a torrent server and distribute that application over the Internet - which would be analogous to webcasting a piece of music.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">So, there are plenty of precedents and analogous examples. Your TV licence does not permit you to stream (e.g. broadcast) the content over the Internet or open up a theatre and charge admission for people to come and watch "Strictly".</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">PPL and PRS for Music were invited to last year's Community Media Conference in order to put these quite basic misunderstandings to rest. I see that I may have to invite them back again this year.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best regards</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Bill</div><div class="gmail_extra">-- <br clear="all"><div><div class="m_143226629331199404gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span><div><div><div><div><div>Operations Manager<br></div>Community Media Association<br></div><a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br></div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/community_<wbr>media</a><br></div><div><a href="https://facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">https://facebook.com/<wbr>CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br><br></div><div></div>Canstream Internet Radio<br></div><a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk</a><br></div><a href="https://twitter.com/canstream" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/canstream</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 January 2017 at 13:55, Canalside's The Thread <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk" target="_blank">office@thethread.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="m_143226629331199404gmail-m_-1149921466871655102WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I understand the legalities of it all but DISAGREE with it all with a vengeance !<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">It’s nothing more than a legal money making racket concocted up back 1912 by a few clever boffins who knew how to work a system.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">By rights, if I buy or purchase something, then I own it, and I can do what I want with it because I own it. If an ‘artist’ or whoever doesn’t want people to use their material then don’t put it up for use, keep it to yourself.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Put your talent and your material in a shop and if it is good enough folk will buy it, if it isn’t, they won’t and that dear all is how life works. If ever there was a classic example of cake and eat it here it is.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">If I buy a Ford Car next week and decide to open up a Taxi business, Ford don’t charge me each time I drive it … I buy it and then I own it. If I earn money (as in this Taxi case .. so what ?) do I have to report to Ford every year on how much I have earned so that they can charge me 3% of it …….<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">What has happened is CONVENIENTLY ‘they’ as in the powers that be have confused Performance etc with PIRACY and by doing so they have been able to force through legislation. No doubt the ones who forced it through originally had their fingers in the Pie and were getting a nice tickle out of it £££ and possibly still are …………..<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I see it like this :-<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">If I wish to play Elton Johns music then I go out and purchase it on record / cd / download / spottyface / yogurt carton and piece of string ………. Including all his albums and singles back in the 70’s (I started buying records back in 1969) plus then cd’s, I reckon Elton has had a good butty out of me. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I happen to work in an industry where I can then showcase (for Elton) his work in the hope that perhaps others will purchase his talent. In otherwords we are all happy bunnies as it benefits us as well. Please don’t be distracted or foget though by the fact we have already paid for it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Elton can then pay who he wishes for helping him write a song or play spoons on one of his songs.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">If Joe Public go out and buy his material he makes money, if people don’t because they don’t like it then he doesn’t make money ---- a bit like us really. If no ones listens to us and we’re not very good, there’s no PRS/PPL safety net for us ! ie:- getting paid for doing nothing.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">If I steal Eltons talent though and don’t pay him for his record or cd then that is breaking the law --- it is theft.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">So, to conclude ……………. Buy it, do what you want with it because it becomes yours. If he/she doesn’t want you to buy it, don’t do it in the first place and don’t put it up for sale.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">It’s just a money making racket.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">To rub salt in the wounds we then have PRS/PPL coming to us official Charities / Not-for-profit Organisations asking for reports and poking their conks into our Business. Our Business is exactly what it says on the can – Not-for-profit so the end result is = zero …………..also all the music on our system bar a handful have been bought / purchased and I have a receipt for the lot going back to 1969<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">It’s a complete joke and folk have just gone along with it. Of course it is a multi-million pound circus now so it will probably never be tweaked.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I disagree totally with this new licence and I am unsure as to what to do?? The idea and concept is good (something I suggested 8 years ago and was told ‘’oh we can’t do that’’) By applying for it and signing the form means that you are agreeing with the terms ……… we do not agree with the terms and therefore ‘’houston we have a problem’’ this wasn’t a consultation, it was merely yet another lipservice exercise.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I have asked them to send me the invoice for the year and who to pay it to, as of yet all I have received are two letters full of gobbled gook and the usual telling me what I already know.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">We refuse as a Charity / Not-for-profit Organisation to fill in report forms on whether a window cleaner cleans your windows for a philanthropic thank you … I have far more important things to do each day than work out mathematically the value of that.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li class="m_143226629331199404gmail-m_-1149921466871655102MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">It’s none of Elton Johns business and<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_143226629331199404gmail-m_-1149921466871655102MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">What don’t they understand about our Net being = zero ??<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I am sick of banging my head against a brick wall<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">In a nutshell, why do you have to apply for a licence to allow you to do something with something that you have already paid for ??? it’s bonkers ! I can’t think of any other system like it …………………… can you ? I’m all ears <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Nick</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div>