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<p>Not at all Cal.</p>
<p>I apologise if this isn't of general interest - but it's important to understand how this works in practice as well as in theory.</p>
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<p>1 - Is there anything that, in terms of TX coverage, limits a CR station?<br>
Not really - but looking at it the other way round - at the Application stage it's vital to work out where your planned audience is located and then resolve a transmitter site (or sometimes more than one) which will ensure coverage.<br>
This is a bit of a black art - but we always start with looking at how existing broadcasters (utilities as well as Public Service) achieve it in the same area.<br>
We than carry out a theoretical scan of the area from that site with the power we think we'll require using simple "land-visible-from" software.<br>
It's important also to know how topography can affect signal transit as software can't know everything.<br>
And finally how single or mixed polarity signals work particularly in difficult terrain.</p>
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<p>2 - Is the coverage of a CR station defined by its licence and social obligations rather than any technical limitation and encroaching on existing CR stations' coverage?<br>
It's planned that way - but in practice of course coverage is defined by physics rather than politics.<br>
Clearly Ofcom looks carefully at this aspect when awarding a Licence.</p>
<p>There is no objection to a new CR covering part or all of the territory of an existing CR broadcaster as long as Ofcom considers that their respective audiences are socially different.
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Luton for instance has three equal-power CRs operating from the same site.</p>
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<p>3 - How come some Members feel hard done-by and others appear happy with what they have?</p>
<p>I have unfortunately to point the finger at inadequate preparation in most cases - but occasionally at restraints placed on the Licensee by Ofcom for what it would be prudent to call debatable reasons.<br>
There have been cases in the past of pressure apparently being applied by powerful commercial interests - Nick and a few more know what I mean.</p>
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But the door is now open - or at least slightly ajar - for representation by stations that feel they should have a review of their transmission parameters. We already have 10 Clients that are in that situation.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 31 December 2016 04:09:18<br>
<b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Ian,<br>
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Forgive me for going off-topic with a technical query, but I'm curious:<br>
<br>
<br>
You say that the Ofcom 5km number was only ever a suggestion, and that <br>
the 25W H/V power limit may not have been stated as concrete or may not <br>
even be a rule at all - is there anything that, in terms of TX coverage, <br>
limits a CR station?<br>
<br>
<br>
I was always under the impression that a CR station was defined by its' <br>
licence and social obligations, rather than any technical limitation <br>
(encroaching on other existent CR stations' coverage notwithstanding?)<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm too young to be fully aware of the vagaries of Ofcoms' licencing <br>
requirements when Halton CR started in the early 2000s (I was part of <br>
the station, but not in any technical capacity!) As a result, I'm always <br>
curious to see how the ever-shifting sands of Ofcom regulation (and <br>
whichever other factors may have come into play) have created this <br>
curious situation where some members feel hard done by, where there <br>
seems to be a mix of company structures (some of which were not allowed <br>
to run CR stations at various points in time) and where there doesn't <br>
appear to be a clear picture of what's going on in the CR sector, as <br>
opposed to the closely-scrutinised commercial sector. Surely there must <br>
be more of us than them?<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers all, and congratulations to Susy!<br>
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<br>
Cal McLean<br>
<br>
Halton Community Radio<br>
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On 30/12/2016 16:54, Ian Hickling wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Nick<br>
><br>
> I think we may have had this conversation, but as an exponent of <br>
> thissubject in a practicalsense can I explain what happens in real life?<br>
><br>
> Th "5km radius" was always the example used by Ofcom to give <br>
> Applicants a typical range for a Community Radio operation.<br>
> It was never a rule or a limit.<br>
> For some time recently it has seemed that Ofcom has been expressing <br>
> 5km as some kind of limitation or norm - but I have always opposed <br>
> this as wrong and indeed impractical whenever it has cropped up with <br>
> our Clients.<br>
> There is a parallel "non-rule" of power being limited to 25W vertical <br>
> plus 25W horizontal,<br>
> As I'm sure I've pointed out before - out of the 303 CR stations <br>
> licensed, 38 (16% of those currently on air) have been allocated more <br>
> than that "norm" - because they have shown Ofcom that it was necessary <br>
> to fulfil their business model.<br>
> The rest presumably haven't bothered - have been too scared to put <br>
> their case - or have thought just 25W was enough or all they would get.<br>
> And an amazing 85% of stations are not using the other half (the <br>
> horizontal component) of their allocated power - effectively throwing <br>
> away around 40% of their licensed coverage.<br>
> Why would you want to do that?<br>
> From the outset the premise from Ofcom was "Tell us your Community - <br>
> and tell us how you propose to cover it"<br>
> Your situation Nick as we have discussed is a little different.<br>
> There are (or were) other outside reasons why you are being prevented <br>
> from serving audience demand and I think now is the right time to put <br>
> some more weight behind your very just cause.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ian Hickling<br>
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> *From:* cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk <br>
> <cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Canalside's The <br>
> Thread <office@thethread.org.uk><br>
> *Sent:* 30 December 2016 12:11<br>
> *To:* 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'<br>
> *Subject:* [cma-l] FW: Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022<br>
><br>
> *From:*Canalside's The Thread [<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk">mailto:office@thethread.org.uk</a>]<br>
> *Sent:* 30 December 2016 11:56<br>
> *To:* 'Canalside's The Thread' <office@thethread.org.uk><br>
> *Subject:* RE: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022<br>
><br>
> Neil et al<br>
><br>
> It’s not a scream, it is as always with moi an observation to facts. <br>
> The fact (s) being that either the rules are 5km or they are not. For <br>
> some their hats have been nailed on, for others there has been <br>
> flexibility and for others it appears as if there has been a free-for-all.<br>
><br>
> Knowing all the problems (dare I say ongoing problems) you would have <br>
> thought a simple explanation could have been given as to what process <br>
> and what rules we are working to.<br>
><br>
> Why doesn’t anyone listen to the facts ? the facts are we were told <br>
> this was a rule --- others have said it isn’t a rule it is an <br>
> advisory, others have said it now doesn’t exist and is what you put <br>
> down on your application. Too late of course for the rookies who had <br>
> their original dabble over ten years ago.<br>
><br>
> The official folk on this matter ie:- Mr and Mrs Ofcom state it is <br>
> a rule ………… well that’s gone bon voyage and straight out the window <br>
> when you look at what is going on ……………. Hence confusion abound.<br>
><br>
> For example :- if it is a nailed down, no questions asked 5km ruling, <br>
> then we may as well all go home and chuck all the kit on the fire and <br>
> throw the towel in as we will never be able to survive. It is clear <br>
> common sense (there’s that word again) that we rely a little bit on <br>
> luck in the fact that our transmitters ‘bleed-out’ slightly for <br>
> another 2 or 3km so that we can at least hook in a few just outside <br>
> the official area.<br>
><br>
> Our problem of course is that where we (Canalside) are based you have <br>
> to travel at least 1 and half miles N / S / E / W before you reach <br>
> people again outside of Bollington or else all we are broadcasting to <br>
> are sheep and cows ………………. This has been explained a hundred times, <br>
> but to no avail.<br>
><br>
> You (Neil) mentions topography etc etc once again we have <br>
> missed the point ……………. Either we operate to a 5km system or we don’t. <br>
> The moment Ofcom/DCMS start shuffling things around and giving lee-way <br>
> to some who are down a ditch or behind a tree then what’s good for the <br>
> goose is good for the gander kicks into gear.<br>
><br>
> The whole thing is a cock-up ……………….. however, the ‘’’cock-up’’’ can <br>
> easily be rectified if people are permitted to discuss and then tweak <br>
> what is necessary so that a Community Radio Station can cover the <br>
> Community it is meant to be serving.<br>
><br>
> Common sense (there’s that word yet again) is then applied once more <br>
> so that ‘some’ Stations don’t start getting carried away with <br>
> themselves bearing in mind that we are LOCAL Radio and not REGIONAL <br>
> Radio. You don’t have to be an expert to work this out. Some people of <br>
> course would like to split hairs on this matter in order to put a <br>
> pointless case forward or to get what they want. They may fool some <br>
> people but they certainly don’t fool me and never have.<br>
><br>
> It’s very similar to the discussion I had with Martin re:- <br>
> restrictions. We simply lift all the restrictions and <br>
> let everyone ‘’’get-on-with-it’’’ if all of a sudden Station ‘A’ that <br>
> has been operating on £55,000 per-annum suddenly goes up to £130,000 <br>
> per-annum with 6 of the Trustees Holidaying in the Maldives for 8 <br>
> weeks then the alarm bells start ringing. Hence why I have always <br>
> said ‘’regulate the SPEND’’ and not the earn’<br>
><br>
> Not difficult, but made difficult by people who want it to be difficult.<br>
><br>
> That leads me finally onto Davids observation regarding the <br>
> ‘’’consultation’’’ I think the reason why there’s only 14 <br>
> Stations as opposed to 250 commenting is because everyone has malaise <br>
> and has basically ‘given up’<br>
><br>
> My personal feelings on all these matters have been expressed via <br>
> message boards, via consultations, via meetings with CMA / Ofcom / <br>
> DCMS / Politicians ……….. the problem is if you are dealing with people <br>
> who simply won’t play ball you are always going to be up against it.<br>
><br>
> The only option we have is to soldier on and do something yourself <br>
> ---- in various quarters I/We have done this --- it would of course be <br>
> more effective if we actually did something about it as a group <br>
> instead of having consultations.<br>
><br>
> I have over the years taken a good long hard look at myself and my <br>
> observations … I have done it to try and make myself back off and <br>
> convince myself that actually I am totally wrong and that all the <br>
> rules and regulations and processes are correct. I have searched in <br>
> every nook and cranny and sadly I actually don’t think I am wrong --- <br>
> I actually think I am spot on and that’s why I don’t shut up. I would <br>
> not be doing our fraternity justice if I did roll over and died.<br>
><br>
> So to conclude I don’t scream nor do I rant, I merely make <br>
> forthright observations that looking Back over the years 9 times out <br>
> of 10 are correct --- I just wish someone would take the Bull by the <br>
> Horns and sort it all out ….. then tell me that I was wrong …… sadly <br>
> they won’t be able to.<br>
><br>
> I have even done the ultimate bit ‘’put the money where the mouth <br>
> is’’ let’s do it the way I have suggested, give it a try, if it <br>
> doesn’t work (which it only won’t work if it is not regulated <br>
> correctly) and see what happens.<br>
><br>
> Happy New Year everyone onwards and upwards to Dumptyland<br>
><br>
> Nick<br>
><br>
> *From:*Neil Munday [<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com">mailto:neilm@susyradio.com</a>]<br>
> *Sent:* 30 December 2016 10:20<br>
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List <br>
> <cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk <br>
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> <<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk">mailto:office@thethread.org.uk</a>><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022<br>
><br>
> Rather than scream about it on here if you would like a conversation I <br>
> will explain our restrictions and our topography which cause this <br>
> against our official coverage area if which some we don't cover <br>
> effectively.<br>
><br>
> Call me 07767767689<br>
><br>
> Neil Munday<br>
><br>
> Operations Director<br>
><br>
> Susy Radio 103.4<br>
><br>
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 at 10:17, Canalside's The Thread <br>
> <office@thethread.org.uk <<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk">mailto:office@thethread.org.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Reigate, Redhill, Horley, Crawley, Gatwick ??? Good Lord<br>
> ! that’s the largest 5km I’ve ever seen in my life !<br>
><br>
> If someone could explain this process (as in from the outset) I<br>
> would be very grateful.<br>
><br>
> I know we have been here before with this discussion, but along<br>
> with other issues you can see surely why people get frustrated.<br>
><br>
> Owing to restrictions we (Canalside) are OFFICIALLY on 5km -----<br>
> and NO !! we didn’t ask for it, we were led up a garden path<br>
> which clearly was wrong. All we are asking for is a small ‘tweak’<br>
> because the rules have now changed.<br>
><br>
> Is anyone asking the necessary questions in the correct places ? <br>
> or are we just drifting along aimlessly ?<br>
><br>
> Please please explain to me why some have 5km and some have 10km<br>
> and some have 15km and the answer dare not be <br>
> ‘’Because they asked for it’’ as far as I am<br>
> aware everyone asked originally to ‘cover’ their Community we<br>
> certainly did but were told ‘’you’re not allowed because????’’<br>
><br>
> And the circus continues with everyone operating under different<br>
> rules ??<br>
><br>
> It’s bonkers ! these so called<br>
> restrictions have got a hell of lot to answer for along with the<br>
> clots that dreamt them up in the first place<br>
><br>
> Well done though to Susy on the extension to the licence<br>
><br>
> Onwards and Upwards for 2017<br>
><br>
> Nick<br>
><br>
> *From:*cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk<br>
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> *Sent:* 23 December 2016 11:58<br>
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><br>
> *Subject:* [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022<br>
><br>
> Susy Radio is pleased to announce that the station's licence has<br>
> been officially extended for another 5 years until 2022. Susy<br>
> Radio, broadcasting on 103.4FM and online from its studio in<br>
> Merstham, Surrey, came on air as a fully licensed 24/7 community<br>
> station in July 2012 following many years of occasional broadcasts.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Susy's Programme Director Geoff Rogers said "I'm so pleased that<br>
> Susy Radio is going to be given the opportunity to continue its<br>
> work as the official local community radio station for East Surrey<br>
> and North Sussex. We look forward immensely to the new<br>
> opportunities to work with and serve the community in the next<br>
> five years."<br>
><br>
> Chairman Alan French noted "This reflects so well on all who have<br>
> been involved with Susy Radio from its beginning to the present<br>
> day and made it the great community radio station it has become<br>
> today. Thank you to all the volunteer staff.”<br>
><br>
><br>
> *Further information*<br>
><br>
><br>
> Susy Radio 103.4 is the official Community Radio station covering<br>
> Reigate, Redhill, Horley, Crawley and Gatwick with all places in<br>
> between. Susy Radio is run entirely by volunteers and has a<br>
> excellent working relationships with many local community groups,<br>
> local authorities, other broadcasters and journalists.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Susy Radio is funded by a split between grants and donations vs<br>
> advertising and operates as a "Not for Profit" Limited company.<br>
><br>
><br>
> More information:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Neil Munday<br>
> Operations Director<br>
> Susy Radio 103.4<br>
> neilm@susyradio.com <<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com">mailto:neilm@susyradio.com</a>><br>
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