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<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Gentlemen</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I am obliged to you for your wisdom - less so </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">for your cynicism.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The reason why I am "pedantic" as you put it James is that any formal arrangement has to be based on the use of </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">c</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">lear
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">incontrovertible</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">language in order to be understood and then to </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">be </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">capable
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I suggest that one of the reasons why "all around us </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">the World is going mad" - apart from the obvious
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">ones</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> of religious and ethnic differences - is bad use of words from ignorance, carelessness or arrogance.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Further, I suggest that if someone asks you </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">for a </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">payment of this nature, relying on legislation, the onus is on him to offer the justification
for </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">his case ab initio rather than for you to have to go away and look it up.</span><br>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">That is all I am suggesting that PRSfM and PPL do, and as Alex has confirmed,
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 15px;"> neither PPL nor PRS has ever submitted a statutory licensing scheme for approval within the terms of the Copyright Act and they have so far relied on their rights gained by exclusive contracts between
them and record labels, performers and composers.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 15px;">The word "rights" here is also open to question and definition - sorry!</span></p>
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<div dir="ltr">Ian, when all around us the world is going mad, it's a wonderful thing to see you still requiring efficient and pedantically correct use of the English language.
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<div>When I reach agreement with someone wanting to use <a href="http://media.info">
media.info</a>'s data, I give them a licence to use that data in the way we have agreed. I don't have to be a licensing authority for that. A good definition is (from Wikipedia, as it happens):</div>
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<div>>> A licensor may grant a license under intellectual property laws to authorize a use (such as copying software or using a (patented) invention) to a licensee, sparing the licensee from a claim of infringement brought by the licensor. A license under intellectual
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<div>...which is exactly what is happening here. PRS/PPL are representatives of the record companies, performers and composers, all of whom have intellectual property of value. PRS/PPL licence their material on their behalf.</div>
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<div>There is no "entitlement under law" for PRS/PPL to exist, which is why everyone's ignoring your requests to see one. Indeed, you are very welcome to reach individual agreements with each and every record company, composer and publisher to broadcast their
material. I've had to do this before, for a live concert, and let me tell you how much fun it isn't: everyone wants slightly different terms for slightly different durations, and I remember having to faithfully promise to Moby's management that we'd turn off
a live stream and only broadcast it on the radio. Of course I remembered to do that, and didn't leave the stream running.</div>
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<div>Whatever you might think of PRS/PPL, it's certainly true that these changes cut the costs for community radio by significantly simplifying the paperwork. It's hard to really argue against that, but I appreciate your efforts.</div>
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<div>Would you be able to colour your emails in blue ink, in future? I find it a useful colour code.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 at 03:17 Ian Hickling <<a href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="gmail_msg">That's Stanford University and US law - no relevance over here fortunately.</p>
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<div class="m_-356480402970967208moz-cite-prefix gmail_msg">The term "licence" or "license" is used by an authority but it has also been used to give rights under an agreement:<br class="gmail_msg">
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On 01/12/16 14:03, Ian Hickling wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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<p class="gmail_msg">That's <span class="gmail_msg">very informative - thank you.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_msg">But they've left out (or - Heaven forbid - ignored) two important aspects of the responses to their Joint Consultation:</p>
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<p class="gmail_msg">1 - If this is a Licence - as opposed to a Service Charge - why isn't it issued by the only Licensing Authority in the system - which is Ofcom? <span class="gmail_msg">PRSfM and PPL are commercial businesses - not Licensing Authorities</span></p>
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<p class="gmail_msg">2 - Despite many requests - there is still no categorical statement as to why PRSfM and PPL are entitled in Law to claim these payments - and precisely where this is written in UK Legislation.</p>
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<p class="gmail_msg">Sorry - I know I've asked this many times before - but it's something we do need to have laid before us - and by the very people who are making these far-reaching demands.</p>
<p class="gmail_msg">My feeling is that broadcasters large and small who p<span class="gmail_msg">art with their hard-earned cash before being happy with the answers are rather unwise.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">This isn't going to go away.<br class="gmail_msg">
It makes no odds to us - we don't pay these charges - it's you out there, our friends and loyal Clients, that I'm concerned about.</span></p>
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