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Before I reply to Ian's questions, as this is my first post to this
list, let me introduce myself...<br>
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I'm Nigel, I'm one of the Trustees of the charity Winchester Radio,
which currently provides a hospital radio service at the Royal
Hampshire County Hospital (I'll leave you to guess where that is
situated!), and which was awarded a community radio licence over the
summer by Ofcom to serve the city of Winchester. We'll be providing
a service targetting the older generation, with the intent of
encouraging "active ageing", healthy living, engagement and
involvement in the community, etc, etc. We're busy planning our new
larger studios and raising the money to build and equip them, and
buy and install a transmitter, mast and antenna at the moment. And,
as we're moving into community broadcasting, we thought it only
right & proper that we join the CMA, so those of you attending
the AGM on the 17th, please do come and say "hello".<br>
<br>
And now back to the scheduled programme...<br>
<br>
Ian, I'd refer you to the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/contents">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/contents</a>) and in
particular Section 90, entitled "Assignment and licences"
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/90">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/90</a>) and the
whole of Chapter VII, entitled "Copyright Licensing"
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/I/chapter/VII">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/I/chapter/VII</a>).
PRSforMusic and PPL "licensing bodies" under this legislation, and
the various licenses they offer are "licensing schemes".<br>
<br>
I say "offer" advisedly - you are entirely within your rights not to
take a licence from PRSforMusic and/or PPL, but then, unless you
individually negotiated with every rights-holder (and there will be
many) of every piece of music you played, you'd be committing the
criminal offence of infringing copyright.<br>
<br>
Now you can argue (and I might join you!) that this should be a
civil matter - effectively equivalent to a breach of contract - and
is not serious enough to be a criminal matter for which you could,
in theory, end up in prison, but the law currently says otherwise.<br>
<br>
Likewise, many people are surprised that, as charities, hospital
radio stations - and I guess by extension community radio stations,
many of which aren't charities, but are not-for-profit social
enterprises - have to pay to play music. Personally, I have no issue
with this in principle - donations are legally always freely given,
and people can decide what causes they wish to support, and you
wouldn't reasonably expect BT to provide every hospital and
community radio with free telephony and broadband, so why should
people/companies in the music industry be expected to provide the
fruits of their labours free of charge?<br>
<br>
I do, however, have an issue with the amount such small, local,
not-for-profit organisations have to pay, and the lack of any
competition to or, in the absence of that, effective market
regulation of, these collecting societies.<br>
<br>
There is, of course, the Copyright Tribunal, to which all such
"licensing schemes" run by "licensing bodies" can be referred.
Hospital radio had its own dispute with PPL a few years ago, and the
Hospital Broadcasting Association (the equivalent of the CMA for
hospital radio) took QC's legal advice about taking the dispute to
the Copyright Tribunal. It was told not to waste it's money - this
was so big a can of worms that PPL couldn't afford to lose, its
pockets were much deeper that the HBA's, and the chances were that
they'd just keep the issue live until such time as the HBA ran out
of money. That doesn't sound like effective regulation to me!<br>
<br>
All the above is, of course, my own personal views, and these do not
necessarily reflect the corporate views of Winchester Radio :-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Nigel<br>
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Nigel Dallard
Trustee
Winchester Radio
A Charitable Incorporated Organisation registered in England and Wales, no. 1160752</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/12/2016 14:03, Ian Hickling
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<p>That's <span style="font-size: 12pt;">very informative -
thank you.</span></p>
<p>But they've left out (or - Heaven forbid - ignored) two
important aspects of the responses to their
Joint Consultation:</p>
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<p>1 - If this is a Licence - as opposed to a Service Charge -
why isn't it issued by the only Licensing Authority in the
system - which is Ofcom? <span style="font-size: 12pt;">PRSfM
and PPL are commercial businesses - not Licensing
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<p>2 - Despite many requests - there is still no categorical
statement as to why PRSfM and PPL are entitled in Law to claim
these payments - and precisely where this is written in UK
Legislation.</p>
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<p>Sorry - I know I've asked this many times before - but
it's something we do need to have laid before us - and by the
very people who are making these far-reaching demands.</p>
<p>My feeling is that broadcasters large and small who p<span
style="font-size: 12pt;">art with their hard-earned cash
before being happy with the answers are rather unwise.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">This isn't going to go away.<br>
It makes no odds to us - we don't pay these charges - it's
you out there, our friends and loyal Clients, that I'm
concerned about.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 01 December 2016 13:18<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] PPL & PRS for Music Joint
Licence for Community Radio</font>
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<div dir="ltr">On 15 September 2016, PPL and PRS for Music
began a four-week consultation on the proposed
introduction of a joint PPL and PRS for Music Community
Radio Licence for Ofcom-licensed community radio
stations from 1 January 2017 (the “Joint Licence”).
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ppluk.com/Global/Summary%20of%20Consultation%20Responses.pdf">This
document</a> summarises the responses received and
sets out what will happen next.<br>
<br>
This consultation was undertaken in accordance with <a
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href="http://www.ppluk.com/About-Us/Who-We-Are/PPL-Code-of-Conduct/">
PPL</a> and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.prsformusic.com/codeofconduct">PRS</a>
for Music’s separate Codes of Conduct, which state that
whenever new tariffs are introduced or significant
amendments to existing tariffs are made, a fair,
reasonable and proportionate approach to consultation
will be undertaken.<br>
<br>
PPL and PRS for Music initially consulted with the
Community Media Association (“the CMA”) to seek its
views on the proposed Joint Licence. Following positive
discussions, the CMA responded to the Joint Licence
proposal advising that it acknowledges the proposed
headline terms and welcomes the simplified approach and
reduced administration for the community radio sector.<br>
<br>
To complete the consultation process, PPL and PRS for
Music invited individual licensees to review and comment
on the proposal. All on-air stations holding a PPL
Community Radio Licence and/or PRS for Music Community
Radio Licence and organisations holding an Ofcom
Community Radio Licence that are yet to launch on AM or
FM were contacted via email and provided with response
forms that could be completed and returned either by
email or post.<br>
<br>
PPL also set up a dedicated area on its website where
the relevant information (including the consultation
document and response form) was made available to read
and download along with a dedicated email address
allowing any comments or queries to be submitted. A
summary was also provided on the PRS for Music website,
linking to the relevant part of the PPL website. The CMA
consulted independently with the sector and the
responses received were collated and made available to
PPL and PRSfM.<br>
<br>
PPL and PRS for Music have independently considered the
responses received and have finalised the proposed terms
of the Joint Licence.<br>
<br>
The finalised headline terms of the Joint Licence will
take effect from 1 January 2017 and are confirmed in
Section 3 (page 9) of
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ppluk.com/Global/Summary%20of%20Consultation%20Responses.pdf">this
document</a>.<br>
<br>
A summary of the consultation responses, including
details of the headline terms, is now available to
review online:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ppluk.com/Global/Summary%20of%20Consultation%20Responses.pdf">http://www.ppluk.com/Global/Summary%20of%20Consultation%20Responses.pdf</a><br>
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