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</head><body><p>The answer to the simple question is the same as it has been every time you've asked Ian. It's the: Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 Sections 116-123.</p><p><br></p><p>Alex.</p><blockquote type="cite">On 16 September 2016 at 06:54 Ian Hickling <transplanfm@hotmail.com> wrote:<br><br><div id="ox-83d840d7ab-divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size: 12pt; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff; font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><p><br></p><p>The very basic challenge I've posed - amongst others - to PRSfM and PPL is:</p><p><br></p><p>Show me please where in the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 - or any other legislation - it says that I have to pay you exclusively the fees you are demanding.</p><p><br></p><p>Surely a very simple question - to which an answer is strangely not forthcoming?</p><p><br></p><div id="ox-83d840d7ab-Signature"><div style="line-height: 21.3px; color: #444444; background-color: #ffffff;"><p class="ox-83d840d7ab-ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height: 22.72px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium;"><span style="line-height: 22.72px;"><span style="line-height: 22.72px; color: #222222;">Ian Hickling</span></span></span></p></div><p class="ox-83d840d7ab-ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height: 22.72px; color: #444444; background-color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 22.72px; color: #222222;"><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium;">Partner</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; line-height: 22.72px;"><br style="line-height: 22.72px;"> <br style="line-height: 22.72px;"> <a id="ox-83d840d7ab-LPNoLP" style="line-height: 22.72px; color: blue;" href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank"><span style="line-height: 22.72px; color: #1155cc; text-decoration: none;"><img id="ox-83d840d7ab-ecx_x0000_i1025" style="line-height: 22.72px; border: none;" src="https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2SkDsnIzSZgRbNnNKBSiwxiFhFQWRGV55mTjVL23fulnJpstZmYxeKrrYefY4qxiSgkMrAETld64XINLXCsujE_zI5gAsQyWeCWvHixcrNYtar3Sij4YlVBgN2NSQ-n2DsgZvrnpWZlfwCQ=s0-d-e1-ft#http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png" alt="" border="0"></span></a></span></p><div style="line-height: 21.3px; color: #444444; background-color: #ffffff;"><p class="ox-83d840d7ab-ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height: 22.72px; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em style="line-height: 22.72px;"><span style="line-height: 22.72px; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #222222;">Office: 016 3557 8435  (07h to 22h GTS)</span></em></span></p></div><div style="line-height: 21.3px; color: #444444; background-color: #ffffff;"><p class="ox-83d840d7ab-ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height: 22.72px; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><em style="line-height: 22.72px;"><span style="line-height: 22.72px; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #222222;">Car: 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)</span></em></span></p></div><div style="line-height: 21.3px; color: #444444; background-color: #ffffff;"><p class="ox-83d840d7ab-ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height: 22.72px; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><em style="line-height: 22.72px;"><span style="line-height: 22.72px; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #222222;"><span style="font-size: small;">6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</span></span></em></p></div></div><br> <br><div style="color: #000000;"><hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;"><div id="ox-83d840d7ab-divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk <cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio <tlr@gairloch.co.uk><br> <strong>Sent:</strong> 15 September 2016 17:28<br> <strong>To:</strong> office@thethread.org.uk; 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'<br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [cma-l] FW: PPL and PRS for Music Community Radio Licences - Customer Consultation</span><div> </div></div><div><div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Dear Mr Numpty</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The rough answers to your questions are:</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </span></p><p style="text-indent: -18pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">1)<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';">      </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Number of songs played per-hour      average</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">The only proposed change in reporting is that there will no longer be a need to submit an estimate of future revenue at the start of a year, only the actual revenue at the end of the year.</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="text-indent: -18pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">2)<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';">      </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Standard budget reasonable cost payment                           bearing – in – mind that</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Whichever is the greater of:</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Minimum combined fee of £1798/year, or</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Combined royalties of 5% on 80% of any broadcast advertising or sponsorship income</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="text-indent: -18pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">3)<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';">      </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">We are not for profit and our NET revenue is zero / zilch / diddly squat</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">That status is of no interest to PPL or PRS – they levy the royalties on 80% of your broadcast (and/or simulcast) advertising and sponsorship income, regardless of whether or not it leads to profit or you spend it all on coffee and doughnuts for the presenters. If you have no such income, then you would pay only the minimum fees. </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="text-indent: -18pt; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">4)<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';">      </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">No reporting, as there is nothing to report apart from song usage</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">See 1) above</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Hope that fits within the attention span of a goldfish - good luck with the plates!</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Alex</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">----------------------------</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Anything outside of this, my attention span has suddenly developed into that of a Goldfish.</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">I fill the form in later as I need to get back to the 50 Plates ….. well    42 actually, as 8 have just dropped off</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Nick Dumpty</span></p></div><br> <br><hr style="border: none; color: #909090; background-color: #b0b0b0; height: 1px; width: 99%;"><table class="mce-item-table" style="border-collapse: collapse; border: none;"><tbody><tr><td style="border: none; padding: 0px 15px 0px 8px;"><a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"><img src="http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png" alt="Avast logo" border="0"> </a></td><td><p style="color: #3d4d5a; font-family: 'Calibri','Verdana','Arial','Helvetica'; 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