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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><font color="#000000">Thanks Alex - clarity personified.<br>Following on from that, let's look at another aspect of the operation of the collecting societies.</font><div><font color="#000000">Where else in the conduct of a normal business are you expected to pay for a service voluntarily and at your own instigation?</font></div><div><font color="#000000">PPL and PRSfM should determine from published information - as anyone can - who is broadcasting and then should generate a conventional Invoice explaining in proper legal terms why the debt has been incurred.</font></div><div><font color="#000000">I still maintain that - regardless of colloquial terminology - as they are subject to VAT, these royalty payments are "services" - not "licences".</font></div><div><font color="#000000">The VAT Regulations make the distinction very clearly and they are firmly enforced as we all know.<br id="FontBreak"></font><br><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:22.72px;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="line-height:22.72px;"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);">Ian Hickling</span></span><span style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);line-height:17.9867px;line-height:17.9867px;"></span></font></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Partner</font></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;line-height:22.72px;"><br style="line-height:22.72px;"><br style="line-height:22.72px;"><a href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank" style="line-height:22.72px;font-weight:inherit;color:blue;cursor:pointer;"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(17, 85, 204);text-decoration:none;"><img border="0" id="ecx_x0000_i1025" src="https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2SkDsnIzSZgRbNnNKBSiwxiFhFQWRGV55mTjVL23fulnJpstZmYxeKrrYefY4qxiSgkMrAETld64XINLXCsujE_zI5gAsQyWeCWvHixcrNYtar3Sij4YlVBgN2NSQ-n2DsgZvrnpWZlfwCQ=s0-d-e1-ft#http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png" style="line-height:22.72px;border:none;"></span></a></span></p><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2"><i style="line-height:22.72px;"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);">Office: 016 3557 8435 (07h to 22h GTS)</span></i><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);line-height:17.9867px;"></span></font></p></div><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2"><i style="line-height:22.72px;"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);">Car: 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)</span></i><span style="line-height:17.9867px;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);"></span></font></p></div><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><i style="line-height:22.72px;"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34, 34, 34);"><font size="2">6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</font></span></i></p></div><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: tlr@gairloch.co.uk<br>To: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<br>Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:59:17 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Joint PRS/PPL licences<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Ian, the collecting societies <b>are</b> authorized by statute (the 1988 Copyright Act). But it any event, legal agreements granting permissions to use copyright are conventionally referred to as ‘licences’, whether issued by a private holder, commercial company or collecting society. A licence is a formally granted consent to do something which the licensor otherwise has the right to restrict.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> I mentioned this in a posting a few days. It is in return for this statutorily granted privilege that they are subject to the legal option of a user deeming their own licence and taking recourse to the Copyright Tribunal.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">NB, and strictly playing devil’s advocate, they are <b>not</b> commercial organizations any more than the typical CR station, just a lot bigger and less reputable in their behaviour. They are not-for-profit membership societies incorporated as Companies Limited by Guarantee. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">See also PPL’s constitution at http://www.ppluk.com/Documents/Code%20of%20Conduct%20PDFs/PPL%20Articles%20of%20Association%202016.pdf</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Alex </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian Hickling<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 July 2016 14:53<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List <cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk>; Bill Best <bill.best@commedia.org.uk>; colin@susyradio.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] Joint PRS/PPL licences</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;">As ever - thanks Bill for taking the trouble to spell out the situation.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;">I would however - at the risk of invoking terminal boredom on the part of some of our friends - query just one word - "licence!".</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;">These are not licences.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;">A licence is permission issued by a Statutory Authority to authorise the Licensee to perform a specific function.<br>Ofcom is precisely that, H M Government's appointed Broadcast Regulator - and in the case of an RSL issues the BA (Broadcasting Act) Licence at £30 per day and the WTA (Wireless Telegraphy Act) Licence at £40 per day.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"></span></p></div></div></div><br>
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