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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Funny we’re talking about this at
the moment .it’s a hundred and 4 years to the Day that the copyright act
was passed. Some guy woke up one morning and thought ‘’eh up .. now
here’s a licence to print money’’ and everyone since has just
gone along with it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>To be clear, I accept that the Law is Law
and things have to be paid ………BUT the mistake
from the outset that we made (and I point it out at the time with a big red ‘beware’
sign) is we should have negotiated and stuck by a FIXED FEE and NOT a Minimum
Fee ………. If you run with a minimum fee you are always in a
position further down the line where you could get your Hat nailed on …with
a FIXED FEE everything else after the payment becomes irrelevant and pointless.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>We have always maintained the fixed fee
(be it the minimum) and gone from there. We set up a S/O and left it at that.
>From what I read and what I can see, some haven’t paid anything and are
drifting up lumber creek.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I mention this because I always seem to
be the one who people think is sounding off ……..not the case, I
merely highlight the points whilst remaining within the guidelines. I do feel
however after 14 years it is time we pushed the boundaries a bit as we are
going around in constant circles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>As I say, re my previous
post, please do not sign on any dotted lines until / unless we have a figure
and a figure based on a FIXED FEE not a minimum fee. If it is fixed, there no
need for any bureaucracy or pointless reporting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This one stop shop malarkey
??? a one stop shop for whom ? us
? or the PPL/PRS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Put ALL the licences together is another
suggestion including t’internet feed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Onwards and Upwards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Nick Dumpty<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Hickling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 30 June 2016 22:21<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> The Community Media
Association Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [cma-l] Joint PRS/PPL
licences</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>That's surprising -
they were always traditionally at daggers drawn.</span></font><font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>But
it still doesn't answer two points:<br>
1 - Exactly where in Law dies it require broadcasters to
pay these two private organisations a fee that
they determine between them?<br>
2 - If it is a firm legal requirement - why doesn't Ofcom include it
as an integral part of the mandatory licence fee structure?<br>
My feeling is that the answer to the second point determines
the first point.</span></font><font face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>From: tlr@gairloch.co.uk<br>
To: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<br>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:54:39 +0100<br>
Subject: [cma-l] Joint PRS/PPL licences<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>We received an interesting letter today from PPL giving
notice of termination of our current licence on 31 Dec because they are
proposing to come up with a joint PPL/PRS licence for community radio from that
date.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>This should make things easier for everyone and reduce the
admin burden, which is good news, and I guess will be generally welcomed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>The letter says PPL and PRS will be consulting with the
sector over the plan - I would urge CMA and anyone else able to respond to
press for the new minimum fee to be no more than the present minimum fee of
either <u>one</u> of the two bodies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>It seems to me if the new system will reduce their admin
costs, there should be no need for more than the equivalent of one current
minimum fee to cover that, especially as no doubt nowadays more of the admin is
done at low cost by IT than it used to be, rather than an army of clerks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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