<div dir="ltr">Does anyone know the Ofcom policy for using 24GHz? Ubiquiti have a range that operate at that frequency. They would be ideal for IP Radio links if you can actually see the transmitter with no obstruction.<div><br></div><div>Pete</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 June 2016 at 10:13, Alan Coote <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk" target="_blank">alan.coote@5digital.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div>Here's how The Bay (now Hot Radio) in Bournemouth was set up.</div><div><br></div><div>We started with expensive business grade ADSL links at the studio and TX using professional low latency codecs( the same equipment the BBC uses on it’s Network Radio). </div><div><br></div><div>We then added a couple of Draytec routers and utilised backup consumer grade ADSLs. Seeing an opportunity to save money, we then removed the expensive codecs and replaced them with Barix, but to increase the fidelity we dumped the business grade ADSL with a two hop 5.8Gb wireless LAN as there was not a direct line of site to the TX site. </div><div><br></div><div>We used Draytek routers which allows a wireless dongle as a backup which got us out of trouble a couple of times.</div><div><br></div><div>After the first year we ended up with double link redundancy at the TX, and triple from the studio. </div><div> </div><div>To be honest we initially we made a mistake by putting too much strain on our operational costs by leasing the business ADSLs and the professional codecs. Dumping them and buying Barix, Draytek, and the 5.8GHz WLAN saved us a stack of cash and meant we could afford to make the whole system significantly more reliable. </div><div><br></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Kind Regards<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Alan<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3"> <u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Alan Coote</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Email - <u></u><u></u></font></span><a href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk" style="color:purple" target="_blank">alan.coote@MonogramMedia.co.uk</a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Phone - 0800 949 6655<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Mobile - 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except it's using public networks are domestic-quality equipment with the many risk elements that entails.</font><div><font color="#000000">H</font><span style="font-size:12pt">ardly a professional broadcast solution.</span></div><div><div><font color="#000000">We would only install professional rack-mounted codecs using the latest minimum-latency software operating via fixed IP addresses linked to a known reliable ISP - if the wholly-owned option of if a radio link path using any of the 5 available platforms was physically impossible.<br></font><br><br><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68,68,68);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style="line-height:22.72px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Ian Hickling</span></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:17.9867px;line-height:17.9867px"></span></font></p></div><p style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(68,68,68);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(34,34,34);background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Partner</font></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;line-height:22.72px"><br style="line-height:22.72px"><br style="line-height:22.72px"><a href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" style="line-height:22.72px;font-weight:inherit;color:blue" target="_blank"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:none"><img border="0" src="http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png" style="line-height:22.72px;border:none"></span></a></span></p><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68,68,68);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font size="2"><i style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Office: 016 3557 8435 (07h to 22h GTS)</span></i><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:17.9867px"></span></font></p></div><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68,68,68);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font size="2"><i style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Car: 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)</span></i><span style="line-height:17.9867px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></font></p></div><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:rgb(68,68,68);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><i style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font size="2">6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</font></span></i></p></div><br><br><div><hr><br><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Coote<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 June 2016 09:45<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span></p></div></div><p> </p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Using IP, you can easily stick in a router at the TX with automatic network fail-over. It will pick up your internet stream via a secondary ADSL and /or plug a 4G modem .</span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Alan </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p><b><span style="color:black">Subject: </span></b><span style="color:black">Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">not only that but sometimes the studio location can be in a really non suitable position for a transmitter site, and so you have to be situated somewhere else.</span></p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ArialMT",serif;color:black"><img width="182" height="75" src="http://nkpa.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/logo.png" alt="NKPA Broadcast Ltd"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span><br><strong><span style="font-family:"ArialMT",serif;color:black">Nathan Silveston</span></strong><b><span style="font-family:"ArialMT",serif;color:black"><br><strong><span style="font-family:"ArialMT",serif">Director</span></strong><br><strong><span style="font-family:"ArialMT",serif">NKPA Broadcast Ltd (9817955)</span></strong><br></span></b><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ArialMT",serif;color:black">M: 07900 494 398</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span><br><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="color:black"><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] on behalf of Neil Munday [<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com" target="_blank">neilm@susyradio.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> 01 June 2016 15:51<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span><span style="color:black"></span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">Nick </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">Stop hyping on about 5 km it's a radio wave! Besides some stations have special constructions which affect pattern from a perfect circle! </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">Neil<br><br>On Wednesday, 1 June 2016, Canalside's The Thread <<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk" target="_blank">office@thethread.org.uk</a>> wrote:</span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt"><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">What’s fascinating on this one is that the distance I believe between the Transmitter site and the actual base signal is about two and half miles ….. crikey ! that’s nearly as big as the actual broadcast area !</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">May I remind everyone ….. 5km ! don’t exceed that or else Ofcom will reach for the panic button the Commercials will chuck all their Toys out of the Pram and you’ll be in danger of broadcasting to more than one man and his Dog and we can’t have that now can we ?? as it just wouldn’t be Cricket. Everyone else pleases themselves but we have to stick to the rules of the fair play award.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Remember, our aka name is <> Restricted FM LOL </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">A couple of yogurt cartons and a piece of string normally does the trick and keeps the signal strength to a whimper, and the cost is negligible as well a fiver (£5) tops</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">With reference to what Glynn has suggested, if the signal does stray by a few yards then you can always lob a few twigs in the way of it, that also usually does the trick.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Listening to the state of ours in certain parts of Macc, I think someone has chucked a Tree in front of it.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Nick H Dumpty</span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy"> </span><span style="color:black"></span></p><div><div align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Associated Broadcast Consultants<br><b>Sent:</b> 01 June 2016 13:33<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List<br><b>Cc:</b> cma-l<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span><span style="color:black"></span></p></div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black">I agree with Bill - if you have perfect line of sight (not even a twig in the way) then a digital 5.8GHz link is the way to go. It gives you ample bandwidth to deliver perfect uncompressed PCM (ie CD quality) audio - no need for mp3, aac etc compression. </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">Rather than the free spectrum though, I'd go for licenced spectrum - for £50 a year fee it should be cleaner spectrum less susceptible to interference. </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">A few more details available on our website <a href="http://a-bc.co.uk/studio-transmitter-links-stl/" target="_blank">'ere</a>.</span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">-- </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black">Glyn Roylance - Principal Consultant</span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"><a href="http://www.a-bc.co.uk/" target="_blank">Associated Broadcast Consultants</a></span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black">On 1 June 2016 at 12:06, Jonathan Pinfield <<a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">jonathan.pinfield@bcbradio.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span></p><div><div><p><span style="color:black">Hi all</span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">We’re looking for cheap and reliable solutions to get our “on-air” output from our studios in Bradford city centre to our transmitter site a couple of miles away. We’ve got line of site from the top of our building to the transmitter site.</span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">Please let us know cost effective & practical solutions that work for you.</span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">Thanks </span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">Jonathan Pinfield</span></p><p><span style="color:black">Broadcast Manager – BCB 106.6fm</span></p></div></div><p><span style="color:black"><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Reply - <a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br><br>The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/community_media</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br>Canstream Internet Radio & Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:<br><a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a></span></p></div><p><span style="color:black"><br><br clear="all"></span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div></div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">_______________________________________________ Reply - <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a> The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a> Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/community_media</a> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a> Canstream Internet Radio & Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a> _______________________________________________ Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a> _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit: <a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p></div><br><table style="border-top:1px solid #d3d4de">
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