<div dir="ltr">Yes - all the time<div><br></div><div>Paul </div><div>Phoenix FM</div><div><a href="http://www.phoenixfm.com">www.phoenixfm.com</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 June 2016 at 23:15, Two Lochs Radio <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div><p>Does anybody routinely listen off-air in the studio? I have never come across any station that does that. It's good to monitor it of course, typically a radio in the kitchen or reception permanently playing, and it should be an option for the studio to check output, but am I alone in thinking it unusual to listen off-air as a matter of routine in the studio?<br></p><p>Alex<br></p><div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">On 02 June 2016 at 22:25 Nathan Silveston <<a href="mailto:nathan@nkpa.co.uk" target="_blank">nathan@nkpa.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br><div>The only real drawback with ip linking is the latency if you wish to listen off air in the studio. Even the most efficient of codecs the delay is too much.</div><div><br></div><div>This means you either have to listen to desk output(not great) or have to have a low delay processor in the studio. </div><div><br> Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br> On 2 Jun 2016, at 21:37, Two Lochs Radio <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>That's a desirable approach certainly if funds permit, Ian, but I don't think latency is usually a big deal for a one-way link is it?<br></p><p>Obviously for two-way links, interviews etc latency can be a big problem, but for an STL what does it matter if the transmission is slightly delayed? After all, DAB services can have seconds of latency, even with all the fancy gear the BBC can throw in, plus some in the receiver, as does any satellite-based service. And of course big talk stations deliberately go through a 5-10s delay so they can dump any 'inappropriate language'!<br></p><p>Alex<br></p><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 02 June 2016 at 20:04 Ian Hickling <<a href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com" target="_blank">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:#000000">That's fine - except it's using public networks are domestic-quality equipment with the many risk elements that entails.</span><div><span style="color:#000000">H</span><span style="font-size:12pt">ardly a professional broadcast solution.</span></div><div><div><span style="color:#000000">We would only install professional rack-mounted codecs using the latest minimum-latency software operating via fixed IP addresses linked to a known reliable ISP - if the wholly-owned option of if a radio link path using any of the 5 available platforms was physically impossible.<br> </span><br> <br><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:#444444;background-color:#ffffff"><p style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><span style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:#222222">Ian Hickling</span></span></span></p></div><p style="line-height:22.72px;color:#444444;background-color:#ffffff"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:#222222"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium">Partner</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;line-height:22.72px"><br style="line-height:22.72px"> <br style="line-height:22.72px"> <a style="line-height:22.72px;color:blue" href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank"><span style="line-height:22.72px;color:#1155cc;text-decoration:none"><img style="line-height:22.72px;border:none" src="http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png" alt="" border="0"></span></a></span><br></p><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:#444444;background-color:#ffffff"><p style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:small"><em style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#222222">Office: <a href="tel:016%203557%208435" value="+441635578435" target="_blank">016 3557 8435</a> (07h to 22h GTS)</span></em></span></p></div><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:#444444;background-color:#ffffff"><p style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:small"><em style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#222222">Car: <a href="tel:075%203098%200115" value="+447530980115" target="_blank">075 3098 0115</a> (only responds when driving)</span></em></span></p></div><div style="line-height:21.3px;color:#444444;background-color:#ffffff"><p style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><em style="line-height:22.72px"><span style="line-height:22.72px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#222222"><span style="font-size:small">6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</span></span></em></p></div><br> <br><div><hr><br><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p><strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Alan Coote<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> 02 June 2016 09:45<br> <strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span></p></div></div><p> </p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Using IP, you can easily stick in a router at the TX with automatic network fail-over. It will pick up your internet stream via a secondary ADSL and /or plug a 4G modem .</span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Alan </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p><strong><span style="color:black">Subject: </span></strong><span style="color:black">Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma',sans-serif;color:black">not only that but sometimes the studio location can be in a really non suitable position for a transmitter site, and so you have to be situated somewhere else.</span></p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'ArialMT',serif;color:black"><img style="width:182px;min-height:75px" src="http://nkpa.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/logo.png" alt="NKPA Broadcast Ltd" height="75" width="182"></span><br> <strong><span style="font-family:'ArialMT',serif;color:black">Nathan Silveston</span></strong><strong><span style="font-family:'ArialMT',serif;color:black"><br> <strong><span style="font-family:'ArialMT',serif">Director</span></strong><br> <strong><span style="font-family:'ArialMT',serif">NKPA Broadcast Ltd (9817955)</span></strong><br> </span></strong><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'ArialMT',serif;color:black">M: <a href="tel:07900%20494%20398" value="+447900494398" target="_blank">07900 494 398</a></span></strong><br><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="text-align:center" align="center"><hr align="center" size="3" width="100%"></div><p><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma',sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma',sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] on behalf of Neil Munday [<a href="mailto:neilm@susyradio.com" target="_blank">neilm@susyradio.com</a>]<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> 01 June 2016 15:51<br> <strong>To:</strong> The Community Media Association Discussion List<br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span></p><div><p><span style="color:black">Nick </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">Stop hyping on about 5 km it's a radio wave! Besides some stations have special constructions which affect pattern from a perfect circle! </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">Neil<br> <br> On Wednesday, 1 June 2016, Canalside's The Thread <<a href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk" target="_blank">office@thethread.org.uk</a>> wrote:</span></p><blockquote><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy">What’s fascinating on this one is that the distance I believe between the Transmitter site and the actual base signal is about two and half miles ….. crikey ! that’s nearly as big as the actual broadcast area !</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy">May I remind everyone ….. 5km ! don’t exceed that or else Ofcom will reach for the panic button the Commercials will chuck all their Toys out of the Pram and you’ll be in danger of broadcasting to more than one man and his Dog and we can’t have that now can we ?? as it just wouldn’t be Cricket. Everyone else pleases themselves but we have to stick to the rules of the fair play award.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy">Remember, our aka name is <> Restricted FM LOL </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy">A couple of yogurt cartons and a piece of string normally does the trick and keeps the signal strength to a whimper, and the cost is negligible as well a fiver (£5) tops</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy">With reference to what Glynn has suggested, if the signal does stray by a few yards then you can always lob a few twigs in the way of it, that also usually does the trick.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy">Listening to the state of ours in certain parts of Macc, I think someone has chucked a Tree in front of it.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy">Nick H Dumpty</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:navy"> </span></p><div><div style="text-align:center" align="center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><p><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma',sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Tahoma',sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Associated Broadcast Consultants<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> 01 June 2016 13:33<br> <strong>To:</strong> The Community Media Association Discussion List<br> <strong>Cc:</strong> cma-l<br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [cma-l] Radio Link Transmission systems</span></p></div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black">I agree with Bill - if you have perfect line of sight (not even a twig in the way) then a digital 5.8GHz link is the way to go. It gives you ample bandwidth to deliver perfect uncompressed PCM (ie CD quality) audio - no need for mp3, aac etc compression. </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">Rather than the free spectrum though, I'd go for licenced spectrum - for £50 a year fee it should be cleaner spectrum less susceptible to interference. </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">A few more details available on our website <a href="http://a-bc.co.uk/studio-transmitter-links-stl/" target="_blank">'ere</a>.</span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black">-- </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black">Glyn Roylance - Principal Consultant</span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"><a href="http://www.a-bc.co.uk/" target="_blank">Associated Broadcast Consultants</a></span><br></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black">On 1 June 2016 at 12:06, Jonathan Pinfield <<a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">jonathan.pinfield@bcbradio.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span></p><div><div><p><span style="color:black">Hi all</span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">We’re looking for cheap and reliable solutions to get our “on-air” output from our studios in Bradford city centre to our transmitter site a couple of miles away. We’ve got line of site from the top of our building to the transmitter site.</span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">Please let us know cost effective & practical solutions that work for you.</span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">Thanks </span></p><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p><span style="color:black">Jonathan Pinfield</span></p><p><span style="color:black">Broadcast Manager – BCB 106.6fm</span></p></div></div><p><span style="color:black"><br> _______________________________________________<br> <br> Reply - <a href="https://UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br> <br> The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br> Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/community_media</a><br> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br> Canstream Internet Radio & Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank"> http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> <br> Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/" target="_blank"> http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> <br> To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:<br> <a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a></span><br></p></div><p><span style="color:black"><br> <br clear="all"> </span></p><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p><div><div><p><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span></p></div></div><p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">_______________________________________________ Reply - 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