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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And I think that any and all ‘</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">dedicated
multiplex with 24 (or your 30) slots for community-based services across a wide area’ should be owned and controlled by a not-for-profit organisation. Such as the CMA?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 March 2016 17:29<br>
<b>To:</b> 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] FW: MiniDAB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">No Glyn (and Ian), no ‘old thinking’ going on, quite the reverse, so maybe you were as you say missing my points!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m familiar with the workings of DAB multiplexes and SFNs, but I apologise for any confusion I caused you by my very careless use
of the word ‘channels’ (in the sense of programme channels, not spectrum channels), when I should have written ‘programme services’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I too was envisaging an SFN with perhaps 3 or 4 relays for covering a large city. As you say, a single DAB+ multiplex (ie one using
AAC+) could provide 30 services, but that would imply services averaging 32kbps each, which I would regard as adequate quality for general service, which is why I suggested 24 channels. I think 48kbps should be the minimum target except perhaps for mono or
speech-only services, but that is to an extent a subjective matter of course, and it also depends on the quality/price of the encoders used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You mention the common misconception that an SFN requires all transmitters to contain the same MUX content. Certainly that is the
simplest and most conventional arrangement, and what would in almost all circumstances be the practice, but in appropriate situations some regional variation is possible within careful design (which Ofcom has the people to do) . Practical experiments carried
out some years ago in Germany showed that it is a possible even within an SFN to have some local variation in programmes service, subject to careful design and suitable topography.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That is where my comment about interference arose – if alternative audio services are put in the same time slot on different relays
there are significant regions of mutual digital interference where there is no usable reception of that slot. But that was all just a possible extra worth investigating as a side issue in areas of particularly high demand, not something to get hung up on.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The most obvious starting point would be a dedicated multiplex with 24 (or your 30) slots for community-based services across a wide
area.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Associated Broadcast Consultants<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 March 2016 14:25<br>
<b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List <<a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] MiniDAB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't understand these comments about number of channels and interference. I wonder if there is some old analogue/FM thinking going on?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">DAB has the capability to transmit on the same channel without causing interference (in fact delivering a significant gain in the overlap area). It's called SFN - but it requires all the transmitters to carry the same Mux content.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So for large metropolitan areas you could have one mux covering the centre, and three or four relays in the suburbs - all on the same channel. Use AAC+ coding and it could easily deliver 30 services with pretty good audio quality. The
alternative is not worth considering - 5 transmitters on separate channels would deliver far too much capacity (150+ programme services), and 5 separate muxes on same channel would deliver far too much interference rendering it unusable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unless I'm missing your points...?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Glyn<o:p></o:p></p>
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