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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hmm ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Alex et al<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am fully aware of what they charge and
why they charge it. However, that’s not the point. I suppose if we were
being honest with ourselves (and them) then everything is to do with
Broadcasting why ? because we are Community RADIO …..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The key is we are using Broadcasting as a
means to an end, that end is NOT MAKING PROFIT. We are not making commercial
profit as such off the back of Tina Turner and Elton John, we are merely
providing a service. No one, not the PRS/PPL/Ed Vaizey/CMA/Ofcom/Uncle Tom
Cobbley/Me/Thee/ All and sundry can argue against this …. And why ?
because when the Bill was passed it was made very clear why Community Radio
existed, why it was here and what its purpose is. I didn’t make the
rules, they did. We now have as I have pointed out that those in authority and
those with the clout are technically arguing and contradicting against their
own rules.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Another one of my questions from around
2008 I think ? was have PRS/PPL ever read the script ? I don’t
think they have, and they still haven’t. They don’t get it ….
My argument is they are going to have to be made to get it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Here’s one for you. Commercial Radio
make money out of Broadcasting. They make money for the purpose of making
profit. Nowt wrong with that, it’s called Business. However, the new Tina
Turner and Elton John cds get given to them as promos …….all the
music on our system has been paid for, most of it by me out of my Piggy Bank.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I said this years ago. We are getting
charged twice for doing them a favour and then they send us a Bill ????? who
thought that one up ????? I fully understand that looking at it like
this doesn’t solve the current problems, but it is worth mentioning just
for the record (pardon the pun)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Onto the serious stuff, my main issue is
this % malarkey. Sorry chaps, I disagree totally with it. The reason I disagree
is because it is a contradiction of what we are about.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We accept that within our fraternity there
are small Community Stations, Medium sized Stations and Bigger Stations. I
think Canalside fall into the just below Medium status ……….
Looking at figures, some Stations need about £30,000 a year, some need £50,000
a year and other £80,000 a year. This has got nothing to do with making money ‘’’out
of’’’ Broadcasting …. It is merely monies needed to
operate and survive, provide the community services and achieve our core commitments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If anyone at PPL or PRS fancies a hustings
argument with me on this then bring it on ….. we were getting charged
PPL/PRS from 2008 – 2014 and we WERE’NT allowed to run adverts
on-air …….so that’s blown that argument out of the water
! all our sponsorship came from the website.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, for the sake of being downright
awkward, we continue our policy of offering advertising across the The Thread
Network … this includes a Newsletter, a Magazine supplement, 3 x websites
(The Thread / MIM / Visit Macclesfield) Twitter / Facelessbook oh
and if they support us, we’ll chuck a few on-air adverts into the mix,
but we can’t promise it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There you go ----- the PRS/PPL argument
has just gone belly-up in one fell swoop !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please don’t get suckered down this
NBR route and this argument as this is the road these people want us to go
down. Stay on the laymans route /… keep it simple.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So :- I repeat one more time<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1) One licence that covers FM / Internet /
DAB if a Station happens to be on 2 or 3 or only 1 ?? then so be it
? that’s the way the cookie crumbles. I’m sure we are all
aiming to be on all three aren’t we ? One listener does NOT listen to
all three at the same time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2) A flat rate fee ………same
for everyone. How do we come to that figure ….basically we plonk
ourselves in the middle. I actually think the £1000.00 quid-ish is possibly
reasonable ……..so £1000 to PRS & £1000 to PPL ………………x
250 Stations and hardly any admin apart from a second class stamp or the press
of a computer key is fair to all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>3) No reporting, because there is nothing
to report. Whether the Station earns/needs £80,000 to survive or £40,000 or
£20,000 it’s irrelevant, because it is not-for-profit. Here comes my
zero / zilch / not a sausage again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>4) The amount of listeners is also
irrelevant ………… we run programmes off the beaten track
where we might have one man and his Dog if we’re lucky --- are they going
to give us a refund ? think not ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stay away from all complicated arguments
because they will just grind you down ….. keep it simple, 4 4 2, keep possession,
knock the ball into the danger zones, be patient, grit your teeth, show your
teeth, knuckle down, get weavin’, and we’ll score the goal. We
might not win, but we’ll get a draw.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please please please, get this percentage
% malarkey OFF the agenda. It is alien to us and goes against everything that
we stand for. You leave us wide open if you sign up to it. NBR, it’s all
a nonsense ………….. and btw none of us have the resources,
manpower, will, time to go through this bureaucratic garbage …. Hence why
I knocked the reporting in the head ages ago …….. I refuse to do
it. I currently have the big Chief knocking on my door … I am in but the
lights are off and I’m hid behind the settee </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> LOL<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My report is simple :- [ 9 songs per
hour, listeners ? dunno ?? we ain’t on rajar because we can’t
afford it NBR and Advertising / Contra / Barter - MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
! that’s my report.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>At the moment I am a lonely soul and a
voice crying in the wilderness ………. If that’s the case,
then so be it. I am full of frustration and anger if I was being honest as I am
sick and tired of this fraternity being treated like dirt and being bullied.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope and pray for common sense, but
looking at the last 14 years it doesn’t bode well. It will then be ‘’make
your mind up time’’ ‘’put up or shut up’’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We’re avin a go, even if we’re
on our own. I suggest for starters you/we take all your/our forms/agreements
and all your/our reports, and chuck them on the biggest Bonfire you can find.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By the way ………. What is
the Plan Stan for tomorrow ? I don’t want folk negotiating any NBR malarkey
for us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Reading deeper into Alex’s post, it
looks like someone somewhere is gearing up for a ding dong … what with
all this talk of Tribunals and Courts ….. if so, I suggest we all start
huddling together rather quickly and get our sleeves rolled up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick / Wrighty<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 February 2016 14:13<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'The Community Media
Association Discussion List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] PPL / PRS for
Music mini consultation</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-US
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I would add a rider
on one specific point there Tony, but it’s a long one…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>“</span></font>The
law is civil, anyone can demand any fee they chose.”<font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Strictly speaking
that is true, but that does not mean they can automatically have the fee they
demand. The law recognizes the privileged position of the limited monopolies it
grants to recognized collecting bodies, are their demands are always subject to
review and settlement before the Copyright Tribunal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The PPL vs AIRC
ruling on which the current radio licensing is based is arguably out of date,
since it predates Community Radio licences, but it does *<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>not</span></b>* provide for minimum fees, nor extra
payments for additional simulcasts. PPL is on unproven ground in making those
demands. A particularly pernicious aspect of minimum fees is of course that it
removes from PPL any strong incentive to come up with more cost-effective
administration or group schemes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>To deal with the
one-sided situation of bodies being able to name their price, the law permits
anyone who feels they are not being offered fair or appropriate licence terms
to refuse to sign up, and instead pay what they feel is properly due for a
‘deemed licence’. However, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>and
this is where PPL plays dirty</span></i>, exercise of that right is subject to
the would-be licensee making an application to the Copyright Tribunal to
adjudicate on the matter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>PPL is an aggressive
corporate bully, and relies heavily on the fact that most of its individual
licensees could never afford the financial risk of taking a case to the
Tribunal (which has similar procedures to a court of law), and PPL has a
history of employing unnecessary levels of legal expertise to rack up the potential
costs for losers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>This situation has
always in effect denied justice to smaller radio stations, and even the big
ones have generally been able to act only collectively. It’s more than
overdue for CMA to find some way of properly getting the non-profit radio
sector (Community and micro commercial together ideally) for collective action
to demand a fairer tariff. When we deemed our own licence for two years we
based it on a minimum fee of £50 + 1% of NBR, and I believe that could have
bene well-defended at Tribunal, but equally PPL could have bankrupted us with
just a few days of their legal costs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I believe the
appalling situation of the Copyright Tribunal for smaller entities has been
partly recognized by the introduction of a fast track process, but I am
not sure how applicable this would be to our case. However, I do think if it
wants to do anything, CMA should have some preliminary investigations of that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I would *<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>not</span></b>* ask PPL to justify its costs –
anyone can find plausible ways to justify a scale ranging from zero (or even
negative!) up to astronomical figures. We should simply say what we feel are
fair costs and apply those across the board until PPL can get legal backing for
its present unfair and inequitable structure. NB it is *<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>fair</span></b>* and equitable rates we are looking
for *<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>not</span></b>* just
‘reasonable’, since a hugely wide range of charges <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>could</span></i> be considered reasonable (ie within
the bounds of reason), even though they might be clearly grossly unfair. A fine
distinction to be sure, but I think significant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>It occurs to me
however, that if PPL continues to insist that the minimum royalty tariff is
fair, then they must by the same argument demonstrate adoption of a minimum
royalty *<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>payout</span></b>* scheme that
gives, for sake of argument, a minimum of £500 in royalties to any artist whose
royalties for reported music use would otherwise fall below that threshold; <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>quid pro quo</span></i> (er, that’s not Status
Quo obviously – they probably do okay!).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Sorry this is so
lengthy, but beyond those points on the basic tariff, I would like to add:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
believe there should be at most a truly minimum fee to cover reasonable admin
costs of a licence, and I would assess those as £30-50. And I believe a new
threshold should be added below the current 2% step, with a 1% rate band up to
half the 2% threshold – this is in line with the Copyright
Tribunal’s original reasoning for the 2% and 3% bands, and simply
recognizes that nowadays there are numerous stations operating at a lower
financial level that the Tribunal ever realized there would be a need to
consider.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>As
for additional fees for simulcasting on Internet and/or DAB, I believe these
should simply be rejected *<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>entirely</span></b>*.
If a station is able to generate additional income from having any of these,
then the value of that will be properly recognized in the revenue figures.
PPL's position is wholly inconsistent - if you are given consent by Ofcom to
add a relay that quadruples your population or geographic coverage there is no
change of PPL agreement or tariff at all, and yet if you add a small area DAB
simulcast in your existing patch they want a massive increase in royalties.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
would stay away from discussions of payments to the niche artists that we all
play but suspect aren’t getting their fair share of the dibs, because the
obvious answer to that one is for PPL to demand 100% 24x7 music reporting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
do believe is fair to levy royalties on broadcast-related <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>revenue</span></b> Community Radio/non-profit
licensees, as is the case at present. [Wrighty note: it is not your
‘zilch profit’ that is assessed for royalties, it is your revenue
derived from broadcasting activities]. What I do not agree with, as said above,
is the levying of a minimum fee, and I feel 1% would be a fairer first step on
the tariff scale. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Or we could ask Ed
Vaizey to recognize in law that community/non-profit stations do as much good
for musicians broadly as they get in benefits from the PPL repertoire, and to
exempt them from the copyright regime, except again perhaps for a nominal
registration fee.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I do feel also that
the constitutionally non-profit micro-commercial sector (where I sit) and the
enforced non-profit CR licensees should stick together on this to make the case
as broad and compelling as it can be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>But we won’t
get anywhere without strong collective action led by a determined body willing
to take on a rough ride.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Phew, lunchtime
methinks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Alex<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext'> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tony Bailey<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 February 2016 12:45<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> The Community Media
Association Discussion List <cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] PPL / PRS for
Music mini consultation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Don't take this as an endorsement but so far as I am
aware:<br>
<br>
Anything in the "public domain" has no rights attached to it.<br>
Artist performance (as distinct from performance of the work) wasn't a legal
right. <br>
I think online payments are proportional to users.<br>
The law is civil, anyone can demand any fee they chose.<br>
Distribution is a matter for the representative organisation.<br>
This is also a matter for the organisation and their members.<br>
<br>
Tony Bailey<br>
<br>
On 11/02/16 08:47, Ian Hickling wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Isn't this an opportunity to go right back to basics? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Why are we paying to use something that is essentially
out there in the public domain?<br>
Why should we be paying artists to give their work exposure?<br>
Should it be the other way round - they pay us?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>If we decide to pay, shouldn't we pay in proportion to
the number of people that consume the product?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>What authority do the two organisations have in Law to
demand what amount to random fees?<br>
Where is the evidence of distribution and proportion to the alleged
beneficiaries?<br>
As with Charities, how much of what is taken in goes to administration?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm prepared to put money
on not getting a satisfactory answer to a single one of those points.<br>
Go on - surprise me?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Ian Hickling</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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