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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Some great points raised by all !!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just a few points from Asian Star’s point of view<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The extra charges for internet streaming how are these justified <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As a service that is licensed to play South Asian music only our audience and the music genres we play are very specific. We will never play Drake or Adele as that is just not our remit so how can ppl/prs justify applying the same rules to services like ours. Speaking to numerous artists in the UK British Asian music scene they have never received any payments – it’s a very hard pill to swallow when at least 99% of these artist because of the minimum payout don’t get a penny yet theirs is the only music we play and we have to pay out huge bills when the artists don’t even benefit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As a community station the fact we have to pay a minimum fee irrespective of the fact that our incomes are so low that we probably don’t even meet their minimum threshold which in turn means we end up paying more because they have no process to deal with anyone (I would suspect the majority of community stations) who falls below this threshold<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best wishes <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sbba Siddique<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Station Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Rodger<br><b>Sent:</b> 11 February 2016 08:12<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] PPL / PRS for Music mini consultation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maybe questions on why PRS were prepared to waive additional fees for the DAB pilot, but PPL were not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The inherent unfairness of the “minimum fee” - where in general they apply a set percentage of net broadcast revenue to determine the base fee, but for the majority of low income community stations we have to pay a “minimum fee”, which effectively means we pay a substantially higher percentage rate (to subsidise their bureaucratic processes)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The fact that we focus on niche genres of music that are largely ignored by the majority of commercial stations, and the vast majority of the performers who we encounter have never received a penny from PPL or PRS - perhaps due to the minimum payouts to artists.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I just googled the “top 100 artists played on UK radio” - which no doubt reflects the PPL and PRS payouts. Of the performers in that top 100, I’m reply sure we have <b>never</b> played anything by 90% of them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10 Feb 2016, at 18:36, Clive Glover <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clivegloveruk@gmail.com');" target="_blank">clivegloveruk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Apart from the general principle of why they are collecting from non-profit stations as others have raised, I would like to ask for the justification for extra charges for Internet streaming and, in particular, why they demanded fees for the Low power DAB experiment/pilots.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We were all ready to apply for the DAB pilot but changed our mind when we realised we would have to fork out more than £2,000 to copyright bodies - money we don't have and for absolutely no benefit to us or our audience and local community.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good luck!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Clive Glover<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Radio Verulam 92.6FM<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>St Albans<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10 Feb 2016, at 17:19, Bill Best wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Nick<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for your message.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It was a typo and a correction as issued.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We are meeting with PPL and PRS this <b>Friday 12th February 2016</b>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Link here for your feedback:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><a href="http://bit.ly/pplprs" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/pplprs</a></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've got September on my mind as we are also planning the 2016 Community Media Conference - news of this will be imminent. Watch this space!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Community Media Association<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/community_media</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><a href="https://facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">https://facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Canstream Internet Radio<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://twitter.com/canstream" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/canstream</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10 February 2016 at 17:01, Canalside's The Thread <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','office@thethread.org.uk');" target="_blank">office@thethread.org.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Is the meeting 12<sup>th</sup> Feb or 12<sup>th</sup> Sept ? it says September on the form ?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk');" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk');" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>CMA-L<br><b>Sent:</b> 10 February 2016 16:39<br><b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cma-l@commedia.org.uk');" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] PPL / PRS for Music mini consultation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The Community Media Association is meeting with PPL and PRS for Music this <b>Friday 12th February 2016.</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Please use the form below to detail any specific issues that you would like us to raise with the music licensing agencies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://bit.ly/pplprs" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/pplprs</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal 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