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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Number one <> correct<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Number two <> correct<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Number three <> We signed the contract but
clearly stated that we don’t agree with it and that it was being signed
in order to get the Monkeeee off the back and for no other reason. If they don’t
agree with OUR contract, then why do they keep taking the money out of our
account ? ooops I forgot … we’re moving the goalposts
around again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So actually in Canalsides case, they agree with us,
not us agreeing with them. The big guru in the Ivory Towers knows my feelings,
because I’ve told him.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Like I say … at least PRS have got half a brain
….. they got fed up of dealing with me, took the money and ran .. good on
them I say. PPL …. Now they are a different cookie …. They have
defo lost the plot. You know you are banging your head against a brick wall
when they don’t even understand their own rules and can’t grasp the
meaning of the word ‘’’NET’’’ in relation
to not-for-profit groups ……… basically it means = 0
zero they don’t understand that. Even the guy at the top, the
Organ Grinder doesn’t ‘get it’ ?? so the monkeys have got no
chance </span></font><font size=2 face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>By the way, before anyone says anything, yes I am
disrespectful, extremely disrespectful because I am sick of this sector being
treated like dirt, being bullied, ignored, hung out to dry ……. You
earn respect, and all the folk who have made a complete horlicks of it all don’t
deserve any.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>One final thing, I was watching the proceedings
re:- the licences a few weeks ago ----- everyone standing up bowing and cow
towing saying how proud they are to serve under the Chairmanships ….. how
many Chairpeople have we had since 2002 ? most of them a complete waste of
space sucking up to the Commercial sector, whilst we’ve still got some Community
Radio Stations on full restrictions ! ….. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My respect went out the window a long time ago, but
you knew that anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Onwards and Upwards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Mr 56 year old Hamster is now back on his wheel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Wrighty<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Murray Dawson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 10 February 2016 17:54<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> paul@pvg.co.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> The Community Media
Association Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] PPL / PRS for
Music mini consultation</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-US
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I agree Paul - I'd
suggest that we are doing them and their artists a favour at our own expense.<br>
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Problem is that we haven't been strong and united as a sector to challenge the
issue.<br>
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Now that they've strong-armed most of us into new contracts with the threat of
using their considerable wealth to beat us up in court, we're clearly on the
back foot.<br>
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I'm sure there's a fair percentage of the sector that would be willing to take
it on though?<br>
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<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Murray</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I've completed the form but my questions are:<br>
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1. Why do fees rise above the rate of inflation every year?<br>
2. About 20 years ago I seem to remember PRS or PPL (or both) would waive their
fee for genuine not-for-profit stations undertaking RSL broadcasts. Why
can't PRS and PPL do the same today for the community radio sector? The
amount of money raised is negligible. Based on information in the public
domain, I estimate that the whole of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>'s community radio sector
contributes 0.02% of PRS's total income. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Approx £175k from community radio against a
staggering £623m which was PRS's income in 2009 according to Wikipedia]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm sure lots of other
people will ask the same, and I doubt I'll get much joy but I think it's worth
a punt from all of us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul Golder<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 10 February 2016 at 17:19, Paul Golder <<a
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 10 February 2016 at 16:39, CMA-L <<a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a>>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Community Media Association is meeting with PPL
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2016.</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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