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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>The simple answer at the moment Nick is - no-one knows.<div>In maybe a few months' time, to duplicate the kit being used in the trial would cost no more that an FM system - say £3500 I would suggest.</div><div>But there is no route to anyone being able to apply for or obtain a licence - so the question of how much it will or would cost is, I suggest, a bit academic.<br>I'm sticking however to my point that DAB as we have it now is up against a brick wall - as its capability to expand to accommodate a lot more stations is very limited.<br>To progress with any degree of positive certainty we have to adopt a different format which isn't specifically "DAB" - but probably will get called that by everyone else out there.<br><br><div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font size="3"><b>Ian Hickling</b><br></font></div><font style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size:12pt;" size="3"><font style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Partner</font></font><br><br><a href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);"><img alt="" src="https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2SkDsnIzSZgRbNnNKBSiwxiFhFQWRGV55mTjVL23fulnJpstZmYxeKrrYefY4qxiSgkMrAETld64XINLXCsujE_zI5gAsQyWeCWvHixcrNYtar3Sij4YlVBgN2NSQ-n2DsgZvrnpWZlfwCQ=s0-d-e1-ft#http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png"></a><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">Office: 01635 578435 (7am-11pm UK time)</font></i></div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">Carphone: 07530 980115 (only responds when driving)</font></i></div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</font></i></div></div><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: office@thethread.org.uk<br>To: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<br>Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 13:08:46 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Eddie on DAB v FM new discussion DAB & FM<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">Chaps</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">All this technical Radio jargon is very
interesting indeed and very educational …. I have to confess I don’t
understand all of it but I’m getting to learn about 40% of it with a
couple of our tecky chaps hovering around 70% ….you guys are clearly
experts (re :- James / Ian / Alex / Glynn et al) however chaps, we never
seem to manage to get to the nitty gritty, and I would imagine at least half of
the folk on the message board are slightly more interested in how much money does
each Community Radio Station need to save in its Piggy Bank to get itself on
small scale DAB & FM, as opposed to learning about algorithms …..
(this is a tongue in-cheek joke chaps merely asking what I feel the more
important question, so don’t shoot the messenger)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">I have already asked the question and I
would imagine that the likes of Ian being in his field of work (for example)
would be able to come up with a ball-park figure) I know DAB trials are
taking place but surely whether successful or not the end result is can it be
afforded ? if it can’t be afforded then the whole exercise is
pointless anyway isn’t it ???</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">I am merely picking up on James’s
observations and Glynn (I think) who pointed out that possibly this DAB malarkey
is one of those situations whereby we some of us may end being dragged kicking
and screaming as failure to hook into it would mean the big boys clear up
completely.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">We all understand what Community Radio is
about, but regardless of the whys, whats and wherefores we still have to
compete at some kind of level or we wither and die (unless of course we win
the lottery or receive grants that don’t exist)(re my post earlier this
week)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">Would you gentlemen of great Community
Radio loveliness please flop a ball park figure on this message board for all
to see re the cost of medium priced equipment, set up and running for DAB ……
on top of what I have roughly worked out to be and ongoing cost of around = £5000
quid for those already broadcasting (new additions of course would have their
initial set up – transmitters / aerials / installation etc)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">This five grand figure allows for
maintainance and includes PPL/PRS/Canstream/other licences/Internet/Ofcom
licence ….. I have kept it top side as opposed to lower end.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">Assuming that PPL/PRS will be hovering,
circling and then charging additionally for something that technically is
already covered, would the figure be roughly the same? as I have to admit
reading all the posts we seem to have gone from DAB being really expensive to
it not being quite as expensive as we first thought, to it being rather cheap
and then back to reasonably expensive again and for us to do it we would be
doing it because we simply ‘had to’ ’or else’ as
opposed to wanting to do it in otherwords the ‘getting left behind
discussion.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">I hope you have followed my thread and
got the gist of it, apologies if it is in laymans terms. </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">Let’s us call the discussion not ‘’’versus’’’
but DAB & FM</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">Thank you</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">Regards</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">Nick</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;">
cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>James Cridland<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> 05 September 2015 20:47<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Two Lochs Radio; cma-l<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Eddie on DAB
v FM</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I use TuneIn's app too.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Radioplayer provides:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">1. A web player that actually works, and that lets people find your
station from BBC Radio 2!</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">2. A capable app that surfaces your station - first - for people in
your transmission area on iOS and Android, Amazon and Windows.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">3. Logos, schedules and broadcast details for your station for a
variety of uses including Radioplayer Car, RadioDNS-enabled tuners, and other
things</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">4. A Chrome app (which I wrote <- disclosure) that puts your station
onto everyone's desktop</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">5. An app that puts your station onto Ford Sync, Apple CarPlay and
Android Auto (and lets you control it from Apple Watch and Android Wear)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">6. Liason on behalf of the entire radio industry to set-top box
manufacturers, car manufacturers and other organisations that you don't talk to
nor have the clout to</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">7. Usage data</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">...and is run on behalf of the radio industry with your goals in mind.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Even for #1 on that list, it's worth the £99. I appreciate it isn't
free; but then, it isn't slotting ads in front of your streams or making you
compete with 100,000 other stations, either.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">//j</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM Two Lochs Radio <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<em><i><font size="3" color="#333399" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333399;">Your fee for Radioplayer is £99.
“A more proportionate fee”?!</span></font></i></em><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Just so,
but Michael originally asked £300, which we negotiated down to £90 (that was at
launch, it has increased 10% since).</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">TuneIn's
app provides more advanced facilities than Radioplayer and the service is
entirely free to originating stations. They also provide a schedule and 'On
now' without us having to lift a finger - they scrape our own published
schedule periodically (I must ask them to update it as it seems to be slightly
out of date).</span></font><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Alex</span></font><BR>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">On 05 September 2015 at
20:03 James Cridland <<a href="mailto:james@cridland.net" target="_blank">james@cridland.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Your fee
for Radioplayer is £99. "A more proportionate fee"?!</span></font><BR>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 19:47 Two Lochs Radio <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Yes, of
course I'm aware of the other variants of FM, my point was that there seems ot
be alarge enough market for RDS for set makers, even portables and some phones,
such as HTC, to judge it worthwhile supporting RDS. </span></font><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font><BR>
<em><i><font size="3" color="#666699" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#666699;">And you need to be continuously scanning
the FM and DAB bands to populate this station list name, otherwise when
travelling you'll never find local radio.</span></font></i></em><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The radio
does that for itself unbidden. I routinely use the radio's station list to see
what stations are in range.</span></font><BR>
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<em><i><font size="3" color="#666699" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#666699;">Incidentally, I cannot comprehend why
anyone wouldn't be on Radioplayer, I must say: its the R&D department for
the whole of UK
radio.</span></font></i></em><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The main
reason for not being on RadioPlayer would be the cost and the fact that ithey
won't allow you to be on mobiles if you don't provide a low-rate bitstream. We
joined it when the BBC was on it and didn't have its own radioplayer which
rather undermined UK Radioplayer's proposition. But we did first have to
negotiate a more proportionate fee!</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">As a
user, I still prefer to use TuneIn. It has far more facilities.</span></font><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Alex</span></font><BR>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">On 05 September 2015 at
18:45 James Cridland <<a href="mailto:james@cridland.net" target="_blank">james@cridland.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Hi, Alex,</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The UK market is a
tiny and inconsequential one to most manufacturers. The Digital Radio tickmark
thing is actually deliberately set to mirror similar accreditation systems in
Europe and Australia.
Further, the radio industry is uninterested in how radio sets operate, and not
big or united enough to talk to most manufacturers in a coherent manner.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Really,
we have a "North America vs
rest-of-world" thing going on in radio receivers. You are correct that AM
is different - so is FM, in fact, with different deemphasis values used as well
as different frequency spacing. Pedants: Japan's different still, with FM
from 76 to 108MHz. And parts of ex Soviet countries use something different
again.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">"Animated
and dynamic RDS names do not break tuning by name" - I bow to your obvious
knowledge. I'd only observe that scrolling now-playing info, in place in many
parts of the world, means that you end up with station names like "TY
PERRY" or even "LE NOW O" which really isn't the sort of user
experience any one wants to give, and certainly isn't recognisable.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Tuning by
station name doesn't work on AM - but I'd argue that AM isn't part of radio's
future anyway. (Pedants: it does, if you use AMSS, a kind of RDS for AM. Nobody
does).</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Further,
the ideal is tuning by station name irrespective of waveband - so you'd get
"BBC 6 Music" in the same list as "TwoLochs". (You want
that, right?) The issue here is that de-duping the list isn't simple; "BBC
R Scot" on FM in your part of the world could be different to "BBC
Radio Scotland"
on an available local multiplex, because of local optouts. The BBC have
deliberately broken service-following between FM and DAB, which has the side
effect of also breaking any way that your radio can de-dupe Radio 4 FM from
Radio 4 DAB. And so on.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">And you
need to be continuously scanning the FM and DAB bands to populate this station
list name, otherwise when travelling you'll never find local radio.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The
"Radioplayer Car" unit, currently in test, does all you have asked
for and more - linking to IP as well (and more importantly linking back), and
letting you tune by station name and logo. <a href="https://media.info/radio/stations/two-lochs-radio" target="_blank">https://media.info/radio/stations/two-lochs-radio</a>
tells me that you are on Radioplayer, so you'll benefit when that is available
for sale later this year.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Incidentally,
I cannot comprehend why anyone wouldn't be on Radioplayer, I must say: its the
R&D department for the whole of UK radio.</span></font><BR>
<p style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">James<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 18:17 Two Lochs Radio <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>>
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<em><i><font size="3" color="#666699" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#666699;">The reason RDS names aren't used as a
method of tuning is that RDS isn't ubiquitous in the US,
and in Europe many stations use animated and
dynamic RDS names, which breaks this stuff.</span></font></i></em><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I can't
see any great force in that as a reason for not using station name tuning by
default. The RDS radio market is clearly big enough to support it as an option
perfectly economically in the rest of world without needing to work in the US. More to the
point, I don't think DAB is exactly ubiquitous in the US either is
it? And yet we have a market full of DAB sets!</span></font><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Same sort
of thing applies to push button tuning on AM - the US uses 10kHz channel
spacing and we use 9kHz, so radio circuits/chipsets in portables have to
support both. Anyway, a radio that can tune by station list can still be
operated by frequency if it finds itself in a non-RDS region, so it can only be
a gain or neutral, not negative.</span></font><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Animated
and dynamic RDS names do not break tuning by name - as I said, my car can tune
by station list, and it works perfectly well in continental countries that use
more advanced techniques - the station list shows a static shot of the 8
character name which is usually perfectly recognizable. And again, if not, you
can fall back to frequency tuning. Tuning by station name doesn't have to be
the only mode available, but it should (IMO) be available and the default
option for a radio to get the tick mark.</span></font><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The IP
stuff is a further argument, and perfectly fine, but no bearing on my
suggestion that for DAB/FM radios sold for the UK market should have been
required to offer tuning by station name across FM & DAB. </span></font><BR>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Alex</span></font><BR>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">On 05 September 2015 at
15:59 James Cridland <<a href="mailto:james@cridland.net" target="_blank">james@cridland.net</a>>
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The
reason RDS names aren't used as a method of tuning is that RDS isn't ubiquitous
in the US, and in Europe many stations use animated and dynamic RDS names,
which breaks this stuff.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Neither
RDS nor DAB offer handoff to IP, nor direct links to other IP-based resources
either, so they're not, by themselves, future-proof.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">RadioDNS
provides that mapping, which makes radio receivers significantly more user
friendly.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">IP is
four times smaller than DAB use here in the UK, and is growing slower as well.
(Indeed, growth appears to have stagnated for most.)</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The
future is multi-platform, and better sets. Sadly, existing broadcasters aren't
entirely on-board.</span></font><BR>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">James</span></font><BR>
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