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I live in Southampton, I have a Roberts 83i stream DAB radio and I
STILL can't get a decent DAB signal for radio 2<br>
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Gary<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Chaps<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">All this
technical Radio jargon is very
interesting indeed and very educational …. I have to
confess I don’t
understand all of it but I’m getting to learn about
40% of it with a
couple of our tecky chaps hovering around 70% ….you
guys are clearly
experts (re :- James / Ian / Alex / Glynn et
al) however chaps, we never
seem to manage to get to the nitty gritty, and I
would imagine at least half of
the folk on the message board are slightly more
interested in how much money does
each Community Radio Station need to save in its
Piggy Bank to get itself on
small scale DAB & FM, as opposed to learning
about algorithms …..
(this is a tongue in-cheek joke chaps merely asking
what I feel the more
important question, so don’t shoot the messenger)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I have already
asked the question and I
would imagine that the likes of Ian being in his
field of work (for example)
would be able to come up with a ball-park
figure) I know DAB trials are
taking place but surely whether successful or not
the end result is can it be
afforded ? if it can’t be afforded then the
whole exercise is
pointless anyway isn’t it ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I am merely
picking up on James’s
observations and Glynn (I think) who pointed out
that possibly this DAB malarkey
is one of those situations whereby we some of us may
end being dragged kicking
and screaming as failure to hook into it would mean
the big boys clear up
completely.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">We all
understand what Community Radio is
about, but regardless of the whys, whats and
wherefores we still have to
compete at some kind of level or we wither and
die (unless of course we win
the lottery or receive grants that don’t exist)(re
my post earlier this
week)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Would you
gentlemen of great Community
Radio loveliness please flop a ball park figure on
this message board for all
to see re the cost of medium priced equipment, set
up and running for DAB ……
on top of what I have roughly worked out to be and
ongoing cost of around = £5000
quid for those already broadcasting (new additions
of course would have their
initial set up – transmitters / aerials /
installation etc)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">This five
grand figure allows for
maintainance and includes PPL/PRS/Canstream/other
licences/Internet/Ofcom
licence ….. I have kept it top side as opposed to
lower end.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Assuming that
PPL/PRS will be hovering,
circling and then charging additionally for
something that technically is
already covered, would the figure be roughly the
same? as I have to admit
reading all the posts we seem to have gone from DAB
being really expensive to
it not being quite as expensive as we first thought,
to it being rather cheap
and then back to reasonably expensive again and for
us to do it we would be
doing it because we simply ‘had to’ ’or else’ as
opposed to wanting to do it in otherwords the
‘getting left behind
discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I hope you
have followed my thread and
got the gist of it, apologies if it is in laymans
terms. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Let’s us call
the discussion not ‘’’versus’’’
but DAB & FM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Thank you<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black"
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Nick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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<st1:personname w:st="on"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a></st1:personname>
[mailto:<st1:personname w:st="on"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a></st1:personname>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>James
Cridland<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
05 September 2015 20:47<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Two Lochs Radio; cma-l<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [cma-l] Eddie on DAB
v FM</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">I use TuneIn's app too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Radioplayer provides:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">1. A web player that actually works, and
that lets people find your
station from BBC Radio 2!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">2. A capable app that surfaces your
station - first - for people in
your transmission area on iOS and Android,
Amazon and Windows.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">3. Logos, schedules and broadcast
details for your station for a
variety of uses including Radioplayer Car,
RadioDNS-enabled tuners, and other
things<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">4. A Chrome app (which I wrote <-
disclosure) that puts your station
onto everyone's desktop<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">5. An app that puts your station onto
Ford Sync, Apple CarPlay and
Android Auto (and lets you control it from Apple
Watch and Android Wear)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">6. Liason on behalf of the entire radio
industry to set-top box
manufacturers, car manufacturers and other
organisations that you don't talk to
nor have the clout to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">7. Usage data<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">...and is run on behalf of the radio
industry with your goals in mind.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Even for #1 on that list, it's worth the
£99. I appreciate it isn't
free; but then, it isn't slotting ads in front
of your streams or making you
compete with 100,000 other stations, either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">//j<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM Two Lochs
Radio <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><em><i><font size="3" color="#333399" face="Times
New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333399">Your
fee for Radioplayer is £99.
“A more proportionate fee”?!</span></font></i></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Just so,
but Michael originally asked £300, which we
negotiated down to £90 (that was at
launch, it has increased 10% since).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">TuneIn's
app provides more advanced facilities than
Radioplayer and the service is
entirely free to originating stations. They
also provide a schedule and 'On
now' without us having to lift a finger - they
scrape our own published
schedule periodically (I must ask them to
update it as it seems to be slightly
out of date).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On 05 September
2015 at
20:03 James Cridland <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:james@cridland.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:james@cridland.net">james@cridland.net</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Your fee
for Radioplayer is £99. "A more
proportionate fee"?!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 19:47 Two
Lochs Radio <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Yes, of
course I'm aware of the other variants
of FM, my point was that there seems
ot
be alarge enough market for RDS for
set makers, even portables and some
phones,
such as HTC, to judge it worthwhile
supporting RDS. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><em><i><font size="3" color="#666699"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#666699">And
you need to be continuously
scanning
the FM and DAB bands to populate
this station list name, otherwise
when
travelling you'll never find local
radio.</span></font></i></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The radio
does that for itself unbidden. I
routinely use the radio's station list
to see
what stations are in range.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><em><i><font size="3" color="#666699"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#666699">Incidentally,
I cannot comprehend why
anyone wouldn't be on Radioplayer,
I must say: its the R&D
department for
the whole of <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
radio.</span></font></i></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The main
reason for not being on RadioPlayer
would be the cost and the fact that
ithey
won't allow you to be on mobiles if
you don't provide a low-rate
bitstream. We
joined it when the BBC was on it and
didn't have its own radioplayer which
rather undermined UK Radioplayer's
proposition. But we did first have to
negotiate a more proportionate fee!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">As a
user, I still prefer to use TuneIn. It
has far more facilities.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On 05
September 2015 at
18:45 James Cridland <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:james@cridland.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:james@cridland.net">james@cridland.net</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi, Alex,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
market is a
tiny and inconsequential one to most
manufacturers. The Digital Radio
tickmark
thing is actually deliberately set
to mirror similar accreditation
systems in
Europe and <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
Further, the radio industry is
uninterested in how radio sets
operate, and not
big or united enough to talk to most
manufacturers in a coherent manner.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Really,
we have a "<st1:place w:st="on">North
America</st1:place> vs
rest-of-world" thing going on in
radio receivers. You are correct
that AM
is different - so is FM, in fact,
with different deemphasis values
used as well
as different frequency spacing.
Pedants: <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Japan</st1:place></st1:country-region>'s
different still, with FM
from 76 to 108MHz. And parts of ex
Soviet countries use something
different
again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">"Animated
and dynamic RDS names do not break
tuning by name" - I bow to your
obvious
knowledge. I'd only observe that
scrolling now-playing info, in place
in many
parts of the world, means that you
end up with station names like "TY
PERRY" or even "LE NOW O" which
really isn't the sort of user
experience any one wants to give,
and certainly isn't recognisable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Tuning by
station name doesn't work on AM -
but I'd argue that AM isn't part of
radio's
future anyway. (Pedants: it does, if
you use AMSS, a kind of RDS for AM.
Nobody
does).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Further,
the ideal is tuning by station name
irrespective of waveband - so you'd
get
"BBC 6 Music" in the same list as
"TwoLochs". (You want
that, right?) The issue here is that
de-duping the list isn't simple;
"BBC
R Scot" on FM in your part of the
world could be different to "BBC
Radio <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Scotland</st1:place></st1:country-region>"
on an available local multiplex,
because of local optouts. The BBC
have
deliberately broken
service-following between FM and
DAB, which has the side
effect of also breaking any way that
your radio can de-dupe Radio 4 FM
from
Radio 4 DAB. And so on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">And you
need to be continuously scanning the
FM and DAB bands to populate this
station
list name, otherwise when travelling
you'll never find local radio.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The
"Radioplayer Car" unit, currently in
test, does all you have asked
for and more - linking to IP as well
(and more importantly linking back),
and
letting you tune by station name and
logo. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://media.info/radio/stations/two-lochs-radio"
target="_blank">https://media.info/radio/stations/two-lochs-radio</a>
tells me that you are on
Radioplayer, so you'll benefit when
that is available
for sale later this year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Incidentally,
I
cannot comprehend why anyone
wouldn't be on Radioplayer, I must
say: its the
R&D department for the whole of
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
radio.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">James<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3"
face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Sat, 5 Sep 2015
18:17 Two Lochs Radio <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><em><i><font size="3"
color="#666699" face="Times
New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#666699">The
reason RDS names aren't
used as a
method of tuning is that
RDS isn't ubiquitous in
the <st1:country-region
w:st="on">US</st1:country-region>,
and in <st1:place
w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>
many stations use animated
and
dynamic RDS names, which
breaks this stuff.</span></font></i></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">I
can't
see any great force in that as
a reason for not using station
name tuning by
default. The RDS radio market
is clearly big enough to
support it as an option
perfectly economically in the
rest of world without needing
to work in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
More to the
point, I don't think DAB is
exactly ubiquitous in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
either is
it? And yet we have a market
full of DAB sets!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Same
sort
of thing applies to push
button tuning on AM - the US
uses 10kHz channel
spacing and we use 9kHz, so
radio circuits/chipsets in
portables have to
support both. Anyway, a radio
that can tune by station list
can still be
operated by frequency if it
finds itself in a non-RDS
region, so it can only be
a gain or neutral, not
negative.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Animated
and
dynamic RDS names do not break
tuning by name - as I said, my
car can tune
by station list, and it works
perfectly well in continental
countries that use
more advanced techniques - the
station list shows a static
shot of the 8
character name which is
usually perfectly
recognizable. And again, if
not, you
can fall back to frequency
tuning. Tuning by station name
doesn't have to be
the only mode available, but
it should (IMO) be available
and the default
option for a radio to get the
tick mark.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The
IP
stuff is a further argument,
and perfectly fine, but no
bearing on my
suggestion that for DAB/FM
radios sold for the UK market
should have been
required to offer tuning by
station name across FM &
DAB. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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type="cite">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On
05 September 2015 at
15:59 James Cridland <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:james@cridland.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:james@cridland.net">james@cridland.net</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The
reason RDS names aren't used
as a method of tuning is
that RDS isn't ubiquitous
in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on">US</st1:country-region>,
and in <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>
many stations use animated
and dynamic RDS names,
which breaks this stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Neither
RDS
nor DAB offer handoff to IP,
nor direct links to other
IP-based resources
either, so they're not, by
themselves, future-proof.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">RadioDNS
provides
that mapping, which makes
radio receivers
significantly more user
friendly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">IP
is
four times smaller than DAB
use here in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
and is growing slower as
well.
(Indeed, growth appears to
have stagnated for most.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The
future is multi-platform,
and better sets. Sadly,
existing broadcasters aren't
entirely on-board.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">James<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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