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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Alan, as below, also the original legal
right actually didn't make provision for either performers or
producers, only the author of the song (PRS) and the record
company (PPL) had rights. It was mainly about copying,
publishing, public performance and broadcasting.<br>
<br>
The law was concerned with physical objects (sheet music and
records) and who's name was on it. The people who performed the
music depended (and may still do) on a contribution from the
record company.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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On 22/07/15 19:55, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a> wrote:<br>
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<div>As per my posting of 15:49, it isn't hard to understand.</div>
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<div>Messrs Starkey and Martin are entitled to any payments they
might have been due as composers/performers/arranger, through
PRS, but EMI is not due any royalties through PPL for the use of
the recording of their work. The recording is out of copyright,
the original compositions/performances are not.</div>
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> On 22 July 2015 at 19:11 Alan Coote
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk"><alan.coote@5digital.co.uk></a> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Tony, <br>
> <br>
> So you’re saying that the recording of ‘Love Me Do’
released 5th October 1962 is out of copyright so Ringo
(performer) and George Martin (producer) are not due any
royalties? <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Regards Alan<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 22/07/2015 16:06, "Tony Bailey"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.ukonbehalfofravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk"><cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk on behalf of
ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk></a> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> >That is how I read it, generally, apart from a few
"traditional" tunes <br>
> >and early classical composers, most sheet music is
likely to belong to <br>
> >somebody, due to the death + 70 rule.<br>
> ><br>
> >Sound recordings in the UK have been protected for 50
years after <br>
> >issue. As you say, this was changed to 70 years by the
EU and ratified <br>
> >with effect from 1 Nov 2013 in the UK.<br>
> ><br>
> >However, the change was not retrospective and
recordings not in <br>
> >copyright on 1 Nov 2013 remain in the public domain,
e.g. issued prior <br>
> >to 1 Nov 1963. I understand it was custom and practice
to accept expiry <br>
> >at the end of the relevant year so the previous year
1962 would apply in <br>
> >practice - that's really down to the small print.<br>
> ><br>
> >Regards, Tony<br>
> ><br>
> >On 22/07/15 15:06, Alan Coote wrote:<br>
> >> I think the EU directive was put in place to
rationalise the copyright of all parties involved.<br>
> >><br>
> >> The 1988 copyright law allowed for the rights for
the works i,e, the words and music to be in place for 70 years
from the end of the year that the last remaining rights owner
died. So recordings made two generations ago would still easily
be in copyright.<br>
> >><br>
> >> If my understanding is correct, the 2013 EU
directive puts a 70 year copyright rule in place for the
production of the sound rather than 50 years. The creators of
the words and music still have rights to the work for 70 years
after they die as per the 1988 legislation.<br>
> >><br>
> >> For example if (god forbid) Paul, Ringo or George
Martin all popped their clogs tomorrow the Beatles Love Me Do
would be in copyright one way or another until January 1st 2086.<br>
> >> <br>
> >> I’d be really happy if someone more knowledgeable
than I (which won’t be difficult) could clarify?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Kind Regards<br>
> >> Alan<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On 22/07/2015 12:46, "Tony Bailey"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.ukonbehalfofravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk"><cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk on behalf of
ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk></a> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Now there's a thought Nick - the record
companies who went round to 38<br>
> >>> Hertford Street to buy 15 minutes of airtime
on a megawatt medium wave<br>
> >>> transmitter in the Grand Duchy. No PPL then!!<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I suggest you only play recordings first
released in the UK before the<br>
> >>> end of 1962 and tell the record companies that
they can pay you if they<br>
> >>> want to hear anything more recent!<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> EU Directive 2011/77/EU:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> In September 2011 the EU approved a directive
which extended the period<br>
> >>> of protection from 50 to 70 years for
copyright and performers` rights<br>
> >>> in most published sound recordings. This
change came into effect in the<br>
> >>> UK on 1 November 2013.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The extension of the term of protection
applies only to those sound<br>
> >>> recordings that were in copyright on 1
November 2013 and to any sound<br>
> >>> recordings made after that date. The extended
period of protection does<br>
> >>> not apply to those sound recordings where
copyright has already expired.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> (Hence UK Recordings released before the end
of 1962 are expired. For<br>
> >>> 1963 the copyright expiry date is end of
2032.)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/copyright-in-sound-recordings/copyright-in-sound-recordings">https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/copyright-in-sound-recordings/copyright-in-sound-recordings</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Tony Bailey<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 22/07/15 11:22, Canalside's The Thread
wrote:<br>
> >>>> RESTRICTIONS is the name of the game ....
we'll now see if the Goose and<br>
> >>>> Gander are rolled out LOL I bet you they
aren't ...<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> The rules appear to be ''whatever suits''
write em down on the back of a<br>
> >>>> fag packet and make it up as you go along.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Do you not get the feeling that
technically, we're getting kicked from all<br>
> >>>> sides ...........apologies everyone, am I
playing that sympathy card again ?<br>
> >>>> LOL<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> With reference to DAB I was reading in one
National Newspaper on Monday a<br>
> >>>> rather large article (Express / Mail ??)
not sure ? that DAB in some<br>
> >>>> Countries had been successful ... but here
in the UK it had technically<br>
> >>>> 'bombed' and was about as popular as
passing wind in a space suit<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Good ol' FM and Medium wave OF COURSE ...
some of my happiest times as<br>
> >>>> a 15/16/17 year old in the mid-seventies
was tuned into my little transistor<br>
> >>>> Radio on 208 metres Medium wave Radio
Luxembourg ... Bob Stewart Top 40<br>
> >>>> countdown ... that awful reception in
winter when it used to fade in and<br>
> >>>> fade out with an element of distortion
.not acceptable now of course but<br>
> >>>> then ! no one bothered, it was part of
fixture and fittings<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Great Days<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Nick<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >>>> From:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br>
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> >>>> Sent: 21 July 2015 21:47<br>
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> >>>> Subject: [cma-l] DAB<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> What a great idea... stick a whole new
extra tranche of stations on in<br>
> >>>> your own area to compete with. A
financially unsupportable notion.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Sorry, it cannot work. There is only a
finite amount of money available<br>
> >>>> for advertising in any given area and
almost nothing in the way of<br>
> >>>> grants or donations.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Phil Dawson<br>
> >>>> FANTASY RADIO 97FM<br>
> >>>> Devizes, Wiltshire.<br>
> >>>><br>
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