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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Sorry - No<div>"Better than" implies "in addition to" - that is - with the original status maintained - not with it added in.</div><div>No different from "Eleven times greater than...."</div><div>"More than" has to be an addition to what is already there.</div><div>"As many as" is a multiplier of what is already there - that's the difference</div><div>I refer back to the concept of "one time better than" - which although we do not use, has to be acceptable in a mathematical system - and means "twice as good as"</div><div>Radio engineers may say that - but it's not right - is it?</div><div>6dB in power (rather than voltage or current) terms is an arithmetical factor of four - so 6dB up is four times the power (or "as powerful".</div><div>That says it all - surely?<br><br><div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font size="3"><b>Ian Hickling</b><br></font></div><font style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size:12pt;" size="3"><font style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Partner</font></font><br><br><a href="http://www.transplanuk.com/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);"><img alt="" src="https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2SkDsnIzSZgRbNnNKBSiwxiFhFQWRGV55mTjVL23fulnJpstZmYxeKrrYefY4qxiSgkMrAETld64XINLXCsujE_zI5gAsQyWeCWvHixcrNYtar3Sij4YlVBgN2NSQ-n2DsgZvrnpWZlfwCQ=s0-d-e1-ft#http://www.transplanuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/transplan_UK_weblogo_190x60.png"></a><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">Office: 01635 578435 (7am-11pm UK time)</font></i></div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">Carphone: 07530 980115 (only responds when driving)</font></i></div><div style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:1;word-spacing:0px;"><i><font size="3">6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS</font></i></div></div><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: tlr@gairloch.co.uk<br>To: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<br>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:26:19 +0100<br>CC: domchambers@somervalleyfm.co.uk<br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Radio 1 Eleven Times Better than Commercial Radio? – FM Spectrum Consumption in the UK<br><br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Tahoma">I entirely understand your point Ian, but actually
in this context I think the phrase "x times better" is the conventional English
way of saying 'a value that is 11 times the value of the original'.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Tahoma">I think most radio engineers would say that +6dB
is 'four times more powerful', not 'three times more powerful', even
if linguistically that might be more accurate.</font></div><font size="2" face="Tahoma">
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<div>Just saying...</div>
<div><br>Alex</div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="transplanfm@hotmail.com" href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">Ian
Hickling</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a title="cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">The Community Media Association
Discussion List</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="domchambers@somervalleyfm.co.uk" href="mailto:domchambers@somervalleyfm.co.uk">Dom Chambers</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 13, 2015 11:18
AM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] Radio 1 Eleven Times
Better than Commercial Radio? – FM Spectrum Consumption in the UK</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Can we get this on to a mathematically sound basis please?
<div>Sorry - pet hate - but let's be accurate with numbers.</div>
<div>"Eleven times better" is the same as "Twelve times as good" - so why not
use the "better" number?</div>
<div>If you don't follow this - work out what "One time better" would be -
i<span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;">t has to be "Twice as good" - and then follow
the sequence.</span></div>
<div>Use numbers wrongly and you mis-inform.<br><br>
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From: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:50:46 +0100<br>To:
cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>Subject: [cma-l] Is Radio 1 Eleven Times Better than
Commercial Radio? – FM Spectrum Consumption in the UK<br><br>
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<p style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify;">It’s a deliberately provocative title – “<em>Is
Radio 1 Eleven Times Better than Commercial Radio?</em>” That is to say,
does it deserve to be able to use 11 times more FM spectrum resource per
listener than Commercial radio? We could equally have asked:-</p>
<ul style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify;">
<li>“<em>Is Radio Cymru fourteen hundred times better than Community
radio?</em>” or
</li><li><em>“Is BBC Radio 3 three times better than Classic FM?”</em></li></ul>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN:justify;">These questions stem from an analysis we have
done of the way our FM radio spectrum is consumed in the UK. All
things being equal, then approximately the same amount of this precious
resource called “spectrum” should be consumed for each listener.
But as we will see, things are far from equal.</p>More here from Glyn
Roylance:<br>
<div><br><a href="http://a-bc.co.uk/radio-1-eleven-times-better-commercial-radio-fm-spectrum-utilisation-uk/" target="_blank">http://a-bc.co.uk/radio-1-eleven-times-better-commercial-radio-fm-spectrum-utilisation-uk/</a><br><br>\\<br><br clear="all">
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