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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>To be honest guys, this boils down to both
Cat and Paul being right and both being wrong …… I have learned
over the past 12 years that circumstances are different, and more so in
Community Radio dictate the odds.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However, what I will do is make this sweeping
statement (and I know for a fact many others will relate to it) we have had
failings, of course we have …. We’re still here though, bobbing and
weaving and doing our best … but, those afore mentioned failings –
none of em have been our doings --- they HAVE been the fault of others, some in
authority and as also mentioned circumstances.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I won’t go around accusing people or
establishments of failings if it wasn’t true. We do everything right the
best we can whilst operating within the rules. The downfall has been those very
rules, lack of common sense and what was mentioned on Monday, folk not
supporting you who you would have stone wall Banked on for supporting you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So there you go, not our fault, but
others. It ain’t an excuse Paul, it’s a fact.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, let’s all make things
better, keep battling and onwards and upwards …. Looking forward to the
Conference in September, lots to talk about<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Golder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 19 May 2015 13:33<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">The
Community Media Association Discussion List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Breakfast
Show</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I can't see that I can
add anything to my last comment. I've made a statement that some
community radio stations have been mismanaged, backed it up with examples, and
suggested a simple way that stations could improve their income - relying on
presenters to pay all the bills might work for some very small operations, but
I don't feel it will take any station forward.<br>
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Yet you've responded again, taking my words out of context and specifically
saying that I'm not considering other reasons and I'm "tarring us all with
the same brush" - I think it's quite clear from my emails that I'm talking
about examples and not the sector as a whole.<br>
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I don't know you and I didn't even know you'd been involved in a station which
had closed down, so maybe there is no need to be quite so defensive?
Community radio would be stronger if people stopped making excuses and blaming
other people for their failures, and maybe looking around to see how others are
fighting to make a success of what they do..<br>
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Regards<br>
Paul<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 19 May 2015 at 13:02, @CatLakeUK <<a
href="mailto:connect@catlake.uk" target="_blank">connect@catlake.uk</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You're the third or fourth person in as many weeks to immediately refer
to stations being mis-managed first, as opposed to highlight an unfortunate
struggle with the local economy in their area; fail to secure grant funding
they were up against so many other charities in competing for; or be hit by
unexpected expenses.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We were hit by just that when the Rates Office decided we were no
longer eligible for our 50% discount when we had two locations (TX &
Studio) effectively quadrupling our Rates bill overnight from £3k to £12k a
year. A third of our original projected budget we got our licence secured on.
So just stop and think before you tar us all with the same brush.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1) No two stations are the same nor in the same financial environment
nor situation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>> I'm getting sick and
tired of hearing people whitewashing failed stations as mis-managed.<br>
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I don't see anyone saying all failed stations are mis-managed, which I assume
is what you're saying. I did say "Stations have closed because they
have been mismanaged", which is true. I can recall the station which
closed less than two months after going full time (you can't really blame the
economy for that), the station which was selling a year's advertising for £100
before it folded, the stations which won a licence and didn't have the team or
equipment to start at all ...<br>
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> The stations that survive the longest are those who are already subsidised
by someone with the capital to invest in the project (because it's their
passion/toy) and those that don't have to have to fund premises or transmission
site rates. Even our minimal budget was too high in hindsight.<br>
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We've been full time for over 8 years and we don't have anyone subsidising us -
our biggest contributor pays us the equivalent of 8% of our running
costs. We pay rent for our premises and sites too. <br>
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Regards<font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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href="mailto:connect@catlake.uk" target="_blank">connect@catlake.uk</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm getting sick and tired of hearing people whitewashing failed
stations as mis-managed.<br>
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We worked 155 hours a week between my partner and I to keep the startion
ticking over. Volunteers had constant training and guidance but in some cases
were only interested in doing their two hours and leaving again. We probably
ran our station at the worst point of the recession when businesses saw radio
advertising as a luxury/gamble, even at a local level, so refused to spend any
money on it. We also found that local authorities were happy for someone else
to launch a station but wanted to do little, even free and in kind, to help get
the message out to a wider audience and help ensure the station's future.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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apathy and selfishness in the local community we were trying to serve.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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subsidised by someone with the capital to invest in the project (because it's
their passion/toy) and those that don't have to have to fund premises or
transmission site rates. Even our minimal budget was too high in hindsight.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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tried and now I share that experience with the stations I work with on a
consulting/engineering basis - proud of what I achieved in the past.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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