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<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 May 2015 at 07:30, Paul Golder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:paul@pvg.co.uk" target="_blank">paul@pvg.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Oh - I was surprised about that.  Stations have closed because they have been mismanaged, not necessarily because they didn&#39;t ask their presenters for money.  Like I said, we don&#39;t do it, and we cover our costs fine.<br><br>Just out of interest how much do you charge? <br><br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 May 2015 at 22:19, gary.jackson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gary.jackson@my-generation.org.uk" target="_blank">gary.jackson@my-generation.org.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">No, what I meant was that without presenter contributions the station would close. Like a lot of others already have. Their contributions have made up the operating loss each year and they unanimously voted for that rather than closure <br>Sent from my HTC<br><br>Paul Golder &lt;<a href="mailto:paul@pvg.co.uk" target="_blank">paul@pvg.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><div dir="ltr"><span><div>I think Gary means if you pay your daytime presenters, you&#39;re more likely to get stability in your output, which leads to the station being more attractive to advertisers.<br><br></div>Works for us, anyway ....<br></span><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On 18 May 2015 at 17:44, Ian Hickling <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com" target="_blank">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div><div dir="ltr"><span>Financial survival depending on whether or not you pay your presenters?<br><br></span><div><span><hr>Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 16:56:09 +0100<br>From: <a href="mailto:gary.jackson@my-generation.org.uk" target="_blank">gary.jackson@my-generation.org.uk</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a></span><div><div><br><span>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Breakfast Show<br><br></span><span>
  
    
  
  
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          <div>I’d much rather be in the position to pay key presenters
            (breakfast &amp; drive), rather than ask them for a
            contribution!     I guess it boils down to the ethos of your
            station.   Quality presenters will hold on to, and build an
            audience which appeals to advertisers.   Asian Star have
            always worked that model and they have been very
            successful.   They also taught me how to run a station ....
            which I am now applying at Wycombe Sound.  Thanks Ray Cee! </div>
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                <div><b>From:</b> <a title="connect@catlake.uk" href="mailto:connect@catlake.uk" target="_blank">Cat Lake</a> </div>
                <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2015 12:42 PM</div>
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                <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Breakfast Show</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">Some stations also successfully raise money
              to keep the station going by making a small charge per
              show for volunteers to present the programmes.<br>
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                <div>On 18 May 2015 at 06:57, Paul
                  Golder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:paul@pvg.co.uk" target="_blank">paul@pvg.co.uk</a>&gt;</span>
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                          <div>Not putting myself forward for this
                            (sorry) but I did wonder what a &quot;community
                            radio show rate&quot; is?<br>
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                          We pay our presenters a small fee for the
                          shows between Monday-Friday 7am-6pm, and I
                          know other community stations don&#39;t.<br>
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                      <div>On 17 May 2015 at 19:28,
                        Ray C <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rayc1066@yahoo.com" target="_blank">rayc1066@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                              <div>Dear All,</div>
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                                We are looking for 4 to 6 weeks cover of
                                our breakfast show 5 days a week 7am to
                                10am is anyone able to help?</div>
                              <div>Starting next week.</div>
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                              <div>We do pay a community radio show rate
                                for this, it would suit someone quite
                                local to Heathrow as we are based in
                                sunny Slough :)</div>
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                              <div>If you are interested then you can
                                contact myself or the station manager on
                                <a href="mailto:info@asianstar1016.co.uk" target="_blank">info@asianstar1016.co.uk</a></div>
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                              <div>Kind Regards</div>
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                              <div>Ray</div>
                              <div dir="ltr">Asian Star Radio<br>
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