<div dir="ltr"><div>Many thanks Tony.<br><br></div>There is a CMA Council meeting tomorrow and I'll raise this matter about contacting the <span class=""> Competition and Markets Authority about copyright issues.<br></span><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best regards<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Bill<br>-- <br clear="all"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Operations Manager<br>Community Media Association<br><a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk/</a><br><a href="https://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/community_media</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br><br>Canstream Internet Radio & Video<br><a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a><br><a href="https://twitter.com/canstream" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/canstream</a></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 March 2015 at 15:01, Tony Bailey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk" target="_blank">ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Revenue collection agencies would be
falling down on the job if they agreed to collect less cash. You
can't argue with them, unless you have a cheaper legal team than
they have! I don't know if the Tribunal route is viable for
similar reasons. One other possibility, which might be worth a
look is the ex-competition regulator, now re-born as - the CMA!
Only this time it means the Competition and Markets Authority. As
new boys on the block they might be worth asking since the
collection agencies are effectively monopolies and have to act in
the public interest under the 1973 Fair Trading Act (as amended by
the 1998 Competition Act). The CMA will hear complaints from
business as well as consumers.<br>
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Tony Bailey<br>
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On 12/03/15 21:06, <a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a> wrote:<br>
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<div> Re the question of profits, I gave my take on that in my
reply to Nick. PPL's position would be that it isn't concerned
with your profits, it is concerned to get a fair return on the
value you get from their members in being able to run the radio
station at all, whether that is for social gain or financial
gain.The argument I have with PPL is in their approach and
attitude, and the actual amounts they try to levy. Especially I
see no true justification for the large minimum charges under
the licences (that just encourages them to have inefficient
admin with the costs covered by small stations). Nor do I
believe there should be additional fees for simulcasts. The
strange thing is you could treble your population coverage
geographically (Ofocm permitting) and there would be no change
whatever in the licence other than reflected in increased
revenue, but if you add a different access method, even covering
teh same area, they want a huge increase in charges. </div>
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<div> The trouble is that with annual revenues approaching
£200m, PPL can rely on the principle of 'might is right' to
have it all its own way with small operators. The present
system denies justice to those who can't afford the
barristers' fees and risk the potential legal costs of arguing
their case before the Copyright Tribunal, which is the
arbitration route offered by the law. </div>
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<div> The only routes left for thise without thousands to spend
on legalities are either individual negotiation, which PPL
says it won't do, a collective approach, which is where CMA
could really come into its own, lobbying the legislators,
civil disobedience, or a combination of all the above. </div>
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Sadly, CMA's track record of negotiating with PPL isn't very
inspiring - they have achieved tiny concessions around the edges
of the licence, but no overall rationalization or serious
reduction in charges. The whole sector should long ago have held
out for a simple low percentage of revenue royalty - I would
propose 1% of NBR for micro/non-profit stations (eg turnover
less than say £100k or a similar threshold figure related to the
current 2% and 3% bands). Full stop. No minimum charges, no
extra licences for simulcasts. </div>
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<div> Alex </div>
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On 12 March 2015 at 18:21 David Duffy <a href="mailto:david@theradiopeople.co.uk" target="_blank"><david@theradiopeople.co.uk></a>
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<div> Hi Nick/Phil </div>
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<div> Just before I reply. can I ask. This email thread it’s
missing other people's contributions on the subject of 'The
Cost Of The DAB Trials’ that were made previously (including
one from me). I don’t begin to understand how mailman works
but my earlier response is still on the thread online but not
in this email. What’s that all about? </div>
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<div> Anyhow, I wholeheartedly agree. I think there is a strong
case for the CMA to talk to both copyright bodies on the
grounds that as the use of their members material is on a
not-for-profit basis, community radio stations should be
exempt from fees. Unlike a commercial radio station where
ultimately the shareholders gain financially from the use of
copyrighted material; or in a shop where the proprietor
benefits commercially from playing copyrighted material; the
use of the very same copyrighted material on a not-for-profit
community radio station just contributes to the service
perpetuating. There is no net financial gain. If anything, the
playing of their members material contributes to sales,
downloads, merchandise, concert tickets, etc. So their must
surely be a zero sum argument to be negotiated here on behalf
of the Community Radio sector? </div>
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<div> David </div>
<div> <a href="http://www.theradiopeople.co.uk" target="_blank">www.theradiopeople.co.uk</a>
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