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Hi David/Nick,<br>
<br>
The point I was trying to make is that for this temporary test
transmission, there is no real increase in the exploitation value
of the recorded material, because no one in particular will be
listening to it. We certainly won't be spending time and money
promoting it, because we don't actually WANT people to tune away
from FM.<br>
<br>
As for the threads on the CMA mailman thing... no idea, sorry.<br>
<br>
Phil.<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/03/2015 18:21, David Duffy
wrote:<br>
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<div class="">Hi Nick/Phil</div>
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<div class="">Just before I reply. can I ask. This email thread
it’s missing other people's contributions on the subject of
'The Cost Of The DAB Trials’ that were made previously
(including one from me). I don’t begin to understand how
mailman works but my earlier response is still on the thread
online but not in this email. What’s that all about?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Anyhow, I wholeheartedly agree. I think there is
a strong case for the CMA to talk to both copyright bodies on
the grounds that as the use of their members material is on a
not-for-profit basis, community radio stations should be
exempt from fees. Unlike a commercial radio station where
ultimately the shareholders gain financially from the use of
copyrighted material; or in a shop where the proprietor
benefits commercially from playing copyrighted material; the
use of the very same copyrighted material on a not-for-profit
community radio station just contributes to the service
perpetuating. There is no net financial gain. If anything, the
playing of their members material contributes to sales,
downloads, merchandise, concert tickets, etc. So their must
surely be a zero sum argument to be negotiated here on behalf
of the Community Radio sector?</div>
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<div class="">David</div>
<div class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="">On 12 Mar 2015, at 16:38, Canalside's The
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class=""><font class="" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;
font-weight: bold;" class="" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
class="" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Canalside's
The Thread [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:office@thethread.org.uk"
style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class="">mailto:office@thethread.org.uk</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
<b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">Sent:</span></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>12
March 2015 14:02<br class="">
<b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">To:</span></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Geoff
Rogers'<br class="">
<b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">Subject:</span></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE:
[cma-l] The Cost Of The DAB Trials</span></font><span
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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class="" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class="">What I don’t understand
and can’t get my head around with all this PPL
malarkey is whether someone is listening via FM,
Internet or DAB there is still only one of
them ie:- one person. I have never ever
listened at the same time to a Radio Broadcast
with all three in residence. In fact, there
would be a milli-second delay between DAB and
FM I think ?? and in our case 30 seconds out
of sync on the Internet stream ……….so, unless
someone can tell me otherwise, the person
listening is still one person listening to one
show via one mode. So why the extra charges
anyway ???? sorry chaps, I don’t get that one
?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class="">I repeat again …………it’s a
half legalised money making racket ……………………
nothing more and nothing less<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class="">I still have an issue
with them re:- reporting (contra deals)
we have a contra with the local Milkman, the
local Newsagent and the local Printer … my job
is very intense and I am extremely busy, I do
not put ticking off how many milk bottles we
have a day as a priority so that we can work out
a contra cost. It’s a nonsense, as is all the
reporting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class="">I have said this before
and I will say it again, they do not understand
what NET means I’m not interested in
dividing the square roooooot of 24 by 85% and
then taking away the number you first thought of
because our end result every year is ZERO
we are not for profit and all monies go back in
the project. Likewise, when we were £9000 in the
red four years ago, I don’t recall them offering
a rebate.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class="">I’m not interested in
them at all and I believe if it did go to the
top we may have a good case if put together
correctly.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class="">To be honest I am so
confused with our Internet and FM and then Phase
One another DAB = £500 on top plus reporting
would possibly tip me over and I’d go doolally<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;
color: navy;" class="">I have been trying to
file our figures for the past two weeks ……the
first quarter is on, but quarters 2,3 and 4
won’t let me as they keep saying already
reported, which I don’’t think they have ….it’s
all a waste of time and effort and just causes
angst. I can only speak for myself of course
oh and plenty of others who tell me so, but
don’t make their feelings known.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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font-weight: bold;" class="" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
class="" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname
w:st="on" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" class="">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a></st1:personname><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk"
style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class="">mailto:</a><st1:personname
w:st="on" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" class="">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a></st1:personname>]<span
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class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Geoff
Rogers<br class="">
<b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">Sent:</span></b><span
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March 2015 18:50<br class="">
<b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">To:</span></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CMA-L<br
class="">
<b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">Subject:</span></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[cma-l] The Cost Of The DAB Trials</span></font><span
class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
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class="" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">All the
costs seem reasonable apart from the greed
shown by PPL insisting on a separate fee for
simulcasting on DAB. It's unbelievable and I
cannot see any justification for it, can they
prove any loss to revenue by being aired on a
trial DAB service?? I give huge credit to PRS
for being realistic and encouraging these
trials by waiving any extra fee as they no
doubt see that there is absolutely no
justification for it. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I think we
should shout 'unfair' loudly and refuse to
take part in the trial if we are to be
subjected to this blatantly unfair and extra
burden on what after all is supposed to be a
trial for everyone's benefit.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">We should
take a stand !<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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class="" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
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class=""> </o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><font
class="" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I'll stop
ranting now.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Kind
regards to all<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Geoff<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">On 11
March 2015 at 17:46, Two Lochs Radio <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;" class="">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">That looks about
right as far as it goes Andy, but
then...</span></font><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">David Duffy of the
Radio People says in his localDAB
website on the topic that to increase
the chances of succeeding most stations
would benefit from a
professionally-written application,
which he suggested would cost £900
upwards, or a self-written one can be
'polished up' professionally for £250.
He also estimated installation costs at
£350 upwards, typically £500. So, for
stations that don't have the resources
to write a comprehensive application
or do the installation engineering that
brings us to the region of:</span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
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New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">Existing FM
Community Station <strong class=""><b
class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri"><span
style="font-family: Calibri;"
class="">£1450-£2250</span></font></b></strong><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(or
more depending on installation costs)</span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">Existing Online
Only Station<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong
class=""><b class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri"><span
style="font-family: Calibri;"
class="">£2300-£3100</span></font></b></strong><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(or
more depending on installation costs) </span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">There are other
potential costs.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">For example if your
mast is sited in a designated Area of
Outstanding Natural Beauty or National
Scenic Area (as ours are), then you
need planning permission for
additional aerials (in theory even for
a small change on an existing mast),
which is a another few hundred pounds.
On some sites there is a substantial
(sometimes hundreds of pounds) access
or rigging supervision charge from the
site owner, or a requirement to use
their nominated riggers. The station
is also responsible for installation
sundries such as any extra brackets
and mounting hardware.</span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">There are also
running costs, plus probably at the
very least 100 staff/volunteer work
hours. The good news is the
standard setup will consume only
150W or so power, so only around
£100 in electricity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">Ofcom also says it
aims ideally to have four Type 1 trials
and three each of type 2 and 3. However,
it will only pay for all the equipment
for Type 1 trials, pluse two Type 2
trials and one Type 3 trials, which
implies that a Type 2 triallist and two
Type 3 triallists might be invited to
pay for their own equipment. In the
absence of any willing to do so, I guess
they will have fewer than 10 trials, or
they will simply have more Type 1 trials
than they would ideally like.</span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">Of course, at the end
of the day, even an all-in cost over 9
months of, say, £4,000 is a probably
fraction of what most existing multiplex
operations would charge you for 9 months
carriage, and presumably for some there
is the possibility of the trial
multiplex operator charging a fee to
partner content providers for their
carriage on the trial multiplex. (wonder
if this would count as broadcast revenue
in terms of CR licence conditions?!)</span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"
class=""><font class="" face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"
class=""><font class="" face="Calibri"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Calibri;" class="">However, after
9 months you have no transmission
equipment and no continuing licence - it
is all 'sunk costs' with little residual
value. But hopefully you have some good
experience of its impact on listening
habits locally, and it could be a great
opportunity in some ways. I guess it's
best looked at as a glorified RSL. Let's
hope that in reality Ofcom decides to
offer new long term licences for the
successful trial areas and disposes of the
equipment to them for a nominal value
only.</span></font><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><font class="" face="Calibri"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Calibri;" class="">I suppose
another option is to sit back and let
others carry the cost of being triallists,
and just wait for the
long-term small-scale opportunities to
become available!</span></font><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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The Cost Of The DAB Trials<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
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class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">We’ve done some
homework regarding the cost of the DAB
trials - If I’m stating the
obvious/cross posting I apologise.
However, I thought you might
appreciate my sharing this with you.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">Ofcom are providing
the equipment but:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">You would have to pay
for someone to install it etc…<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">You would have to pay
for transmission site & other
costs, eg. Electric…<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">Plus then there are
the licence Fees…<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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face="Arial" size="1"><span
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face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">You'd need to apply
for a DSPS Licence Cost £250<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">Ofcom have waived the
Annual Fee so that saves £100<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">PPL Licence Fee is
£500 + vat flat fee for the 9 months =
£600<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">PRS Licence Fee is £0
if you are a licence FM Station… as
long as you don’t generate more
then£29,499 in Net Broadcasting
Revenue during the 9 month trial.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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Roman';" class=""><font class=""
face="Arial" size="1"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
Arial;" class="">However, If you are
an online only station you must be
already licenced by them for the
online service and then they will
charge you £705.25 + vat = £846.30… as
long as you don’t generate more
then£29,499 in Net Broadcasting
Revenue during the 9 month trial.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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the trial will cost you …</span></font></b></strong><font
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class="">Geoff Rogers<br class="">
Programme Director<br class="">
Susy Radio, Local Community Radio for
Redhill and<span
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On-air across<span
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