<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Neat summary, Andy. I would add: Speech Station £250 (DSPS licence).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nicely detailed addendum, Alex. That £4,000 all-in cost for the 9-months trial would buy you about 35 days (at the going rate) on one of the current multiplexes. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My advice (free!) for anyone applying is;</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(i) Firstly, ensure you meet Ofcom’s eligibility criteria 4.24 before doing anything</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(ii) Secondly, It’s going to be competitive. So, realistically assess how your application meets each of the criteria (below) and will stand up to competitive scrutiny</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Criteria:</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(i) Does your application show that your ‘geography’ provides the optimum test environment for the trial type you have chosen</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(ii) Does your application demonstrate that you are ready to go if they award you a licence.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(iii) Do you have a site that is has all the approvals - what I call the 'no roadblocks’ option</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(iv) Does your application assert a full bouquet of audio content; number, scale, size, diversity, etc. Commercial, community, internet, new entrants, with agreements in place and DSPS licences.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(v) Does your application show that you are financially aware and capable (resourced) for establishing and sustain the service for the duration of the trial.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the answer is still yes then good luck. Let’s keep in touch. We’d love to know how it’s going with each of the ‘lucky’ ten as the trial progresses.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.localDAB.co.uk" class="">www.localDAB.co.uk</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 11 Mar 2015, at 17:46, Two Lochs Radio <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" class="">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">That looks about right as far as it goes Andy, but then...</font></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">David Duffy of the Radio People says in his localDAB website on the topic that to increase the chances of succeeding most stations would benefit from a professionally-written application, which he suggested would cost £900 upwards, or a self-written one can be 'polished up' professionally for £250. He also estimated installation costs at £350 upwards, typically £500. So, for stations that don't have the resources to write a comprehensive application or do the installation engineering that brings us to the region of:</font></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">Existing FM Community Station <strong class="">£1450-£2250</strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(or more depending on installation costs)</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">Existing Online Only Station<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class="">£2300-£3100</strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(or more depending on installation costs)</font><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""> </font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">There are other potential costs.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">For example if your mast is sited in a designated Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty or National Scenic Area (as ours are), then you need planning permission for additional aerials (in theory even for a small change on an existing mast), which is a another few hundred pounds. On some sites there is a substantial (sometimes hundreds of pounds) access or rigging supervision charge from the site owner, or a requirement to use their nominated riggers. The station is also responsible for installation sundries such as any extra brackets and mounting hardware.</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">There are also running costs, plus probably at the very least 100 staff/volunteer work hours. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font>The good news is the standard setup will consume only 150W or so power, so only around £100 in electricity.</font></div></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">Ofcom also says it aims ideally to have four Type 1 trials and three each of type 2 and 3. However, it will only pay for all the equipment for Type 1 trials, pluse two Type 2 trials and one Type 3 trials, which implies that a Type 2 triallist and two Type 3 triallists might be invited to pay for their own equipment. In the absence of any willing to do so, I guess they will have fewer than 10 trials, or they will simply have more Type 1 trials than they would ideally like.</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">Of course, at the end of the day, even an all-in cost over 9 months of, say, £4,000 is a probably fraction of what most existing multiplex operations would charge you for 9 months carriage, and presumably for some there is the possibility of the trial multiplex operator charging a fee to partner content providers for their carriage on the trial multiplex. (wonder if this would count as broadcast revenue in terms of CR licence conditions?!)</font></div></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">However, after 9 months you have no transmission equipment and no continuing licence - it is all 'sunk costs' with little residual value. But hopefully you have some good experience of its impact on listening habits locally, and it could be a great opportunity in some ways. I guess it's best looked at as a glorified RSL. Let's hope that in reality Ofcom decides to offer new long term licences for the successful trial areas and disposes of the equipment to them for a nominal value only.</font></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">I suppose another option is to sit back and let others carry the cost of being triallists, and just wait for the long-term small-scale opportunities to become available!</font></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class="">Alex</font></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Calibri" class=""></font> </div><blockquote style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class="">----- Original Message -----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228);" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="radio@bayfm.co.uk" href="mailto:radio@bayfm.co.uk" class="">Bay Fm Radio</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" class="">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, March 11, 2015 3:58 PM</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[cma-l] The Cost Of The DAB Trials</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hi everyone.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">We’ve done some homework regarding the cost of the DAB trials - If I’m stating the obvious/cross posting I apologise. However, I thought you might appreciate my sharing this with you.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Ofcom are providing the equipment but:</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">You would have to pay for someone to install it etc…</div><div class="">You would have to pay for transmission site & other costs, eg. Electric…</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Plus then there are the licence Fees…</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">You'd need to apply for a DSPS Licence Cost £250</div><div class="">Ofcom have waived the Annual Fee so that saves £100</div><div class="">PPL Licence Fee is £500 + vat flat fee for the 9 months = £600</div><div class="">PRS Licence Fee is £0 if you are a licence FM Station… as long as you don’t generate more then£29,499 in Net Broadcasting Revenue during the 9 month trial.</div><div class="">However, If you are an online only station you must be already licenced by them for the online service and then they will charge you £705.25 + vat = £846.30… as long as you don’t generate more then£29,499 in Net Broadcasting Revenue during the 9 month trial.</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><strong class="">So the trial will cost you …</strong></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Andy.</div></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""> </div></span><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr class=""><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">Reply - <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" class="">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br class=""><br class="">The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" class="">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br class="">Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" class="">http://twitter.com/community_media</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" class="">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br class="">Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">Mailing list guidelines: http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:<br class="">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</blockquote><span style="font-family: Calibri; 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font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a><br style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:</span><br style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>