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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>I know at the Radio Acadamey a couple of years
back RAJAR said they do measure all other stations, including Internet radio,
but have you ever had any indication of just how they might manage to do that,
and how reliable their figure is?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>I don't think there are any stations of TSA less
than 50,000 that afford to be members of RAJAR, so there must be quite a
number of the smallest commercial stations in that "other" figure as
well.</FONT></DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>
<DIV><BR>Alex</DIV>
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<A title=james@cridland.net href="mailto:james@cridland.net">James
Cridland</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cma-l] Community Radio
Order</DIV>
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community radio reaches 10 million people a week</SPAN><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN
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you have a source for this, Alan?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN
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"other radio" line, which should contain all non-subscribers to RAJAR, says
3.8m/week, of which community radio would be alongside pirate, internet and
"not radio but calls itself radio".</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed Jan 21 2015 at 12:20:12 PM Phil Edmonds <<A
href="mailto:lists@philedmonds.info">lists@philedmonds.info</A>> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>The main two points to summarise the many dozens of
messages that have<BR>been coming back and forth over past few
days:<BR><BR>1 - To run a community radio station top of the list needs to
be a paid<BR>'Station Manager' of some description.<BR><BR>2 - Most
community radio stations are so strapped for cash that this is<BR>difficult
to achieve. A significant majority have an hard time covering<BR>'core
costs' never mind any development work.<BR><BR><BR>So what in my view what
does "the announcement" need to address? All<BR>links to my overarching
issue "financing the sector".<BR><BR>1 - Licence renewal process.<BR>We're
now only months away from the "first batch" of stations current<BR>licences
expiring with no renewal process in place. What chance has any<BR>one got of
getting anywhere near a sustainable business plan if they<BR>don't know if
they'll still have a licence?<BR><BR><BR>2 - Removal of on-air advertising
restrictions for stations overlapping<BR>small commercial radio
stations.<BR>The turnover of a community radio station is so small as to
have no<BR>meaningful impact on a "small commercial licence" holders
business. A<BR>decade down the road from the original ruling a commercial
station's<BR>real competitor on a local scale is Google and Facebook
advertising. At<BR>least a community radio station can help keep the money
in the local<BR>economy, not to some off-shore multi-national.<BR><BR><BR>3
- Community Radio Fund.<BR>Everyone thinks it's too small. If it's aim is to
help towards core<BR>costs or building sustainability in the sector it's
clearly not working<BR>as effectively as it could. Perhaps it would be
better if a chunk of the<BR>funds were just directed towards Ofcom to
subsidise Community Radio<BR>Ofcom licence fees? Even extending this to the
music licensing bodies -<BR>sector wide blanket licences at zero cost to
stations sounds good.<BR><BR><BR>4 - 50% advertising and sponsorship
rule.<BR>I'd propose that this isn't as pressing a worry as some think.
A<BR>diversity of funding sources I think helps protect the qualities of
a<BR>community radio station. Once you've claimed for volunteer time,
it's<BR>actually a 66% rule in 'cash terms' - and possibly an even
higher<BR>percentage if you've any support "in kind" you can claim for on
your<BR>Ofcom return.<BR><BR><BR>Phil.<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 20/01/2015 20:28,
Canalside's The Thread wrote:<BR>> Here’s a few Dom :- from Mr Wright in
Bangingheadagainstwallshire<BR>><BR>> 1)Why have successive
Governments and Ministers pandered to commercial<BR>> radio whilst
neglecting community radio ?<BR>><BR>> 2)Why have we still got
restrictions after 12 years ?<BR>><BR>> 3)Have the requests that we
have been asking for the last 6 years been<BR>> implemented
?<BR>><BR>> 4)On Thursday will you be making a speech telling us
everything we<BR>> already know ? or are there serious beneficial changes
for us will<BR>> bureaucracy and reporting be reduced
?<BR>><BR>> 5)Do you think that some Community Radio Stations deserve
a gold clock<BR>> for managing to stay afloat whilst still achieving
their key commitments<BR>> ? under the clouds of
restrictions<BR>><BR>> 6)Will there be a little more money going in
the Community Radio Pot ?<BR>> as we have gotten the same amount that was
in 10 years ago with more<BR>> Stations on-air<BR>><BR>> 7)Re:-
restrictions ….. if they do stay in some way shape or form how<BR>> come
4 major on-air Stations have had to operate with NO ON-AIR<BR>>
Advertising at all and by the way you are not allowed to use the
small<BR>> ILR argument or the less than 150,000 argument as neither are
relevant<BR>> and neither are true. The Stations are mainly part of
bigger groups<BR>> which lifts them above the 150,000
anyway<BR>><BR>> 8)Are we to start limbering up ready for the
announcement (ie:- putting<BR>> our deep heat on) as in are we going to
have nice little smiles on our<BR>> faces afterwards or is it going to be
a damp squib ?<BR>><BR>> 9)Do you seriously think there will be a
falling over of commercial<BR>> Stations if restrictions are lifted ?
because I don’t.<BR>><BR>> 10)How are things in the DCMS
?<BR>><BR>> 11)Would you like a cup of tea and a Hob Knob
?<BR>><BR>> 12)And finally … all the Stations who have done a
wonderful job will<BR>> they be given first bite of the cherry when / if
extensions of licences<BR>> are offered which by the
way I also think should be the case …. If<BR>> not, could you tell us why
we shouldn’t then all pack up now and go home ?<BR>><BR>> It’s a good
job I’m not interviewing him, we’d get to about number 5 and<BR>> then
he’d walk out after 10 minutes<BR>><BR>> I think it sums things up to
be honest when a Bill that has now turned<BR>> up 4 years after it should
have is now having only 15 minutes laid aside<BR>> for
discussion.<BR>><BR>> All tongue in cheek of course …. Ed’s a decent
man I know, and Dom will<BR>> do a good job<BR>><BR>> And well done
to all the Community Radio fraternity<BR>>
by the way
Dom, do you know roughly what is in<BR>> the Bill or not. The reason I
ask is because you will have to have some<BR>> idea so that you know what
you are asking him ….. if this is true, then<BR>> my questions do not
need to be asked as you will be on a ‘’’positive’’’<BR>> footing ….. if
you do not know what is in the document, then sadly my<BR>> questions are
relevant and you good have an argument / debate situation<BR>> on your
hands. I like to think we have gone past that point now and that<BR>> my
questions are now consigned to the bin ….. apart from the Hon Knob
J<BR>><BR>> Nick<BR>><BR>>
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Of *CMA-L<BR>> *Sent:* 20 January 2015 17:34<BR>> *To:* <A
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target=_blank>cma-l@commedia.org.uk</A><BR>> *Subject:* [cma-l] Community
Radio Order<BR>><BR>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>>
From: *Dom Chambers* <<A href="mailto:chair@commedia.org.uk"
target=_blank>chair@commedia.org.uk</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:chair@commedia.org.uk"
target=_blank>chair@commedia.org.uk</A>><U></U>><BR>><BR>> TO
CMA members,<BR>><BR>> The Community Radio Order is due to be
published on Thursday this week.<BR>> I will be interviewing DCMS
minister Ed Vaizey on Thursday morning.<BR>> Time is limited to around 15
minutes for this. I will be conducting the<BR>> interview on behalf of
the CMA and welcome any questions you might like<BR>> me to consider
informing the interview. We will naturally focus on the<BR>> content and
implications of the CRO but this will be an opportunity to<BR>> also ask
about other areas of community media development.<BR>><BR>> Best to
all,<BR>><BR>> Dom 1<BR>><BR>> *Dom Chambers*<BR>>
*Chair*<BR>><BR>> *Mobile*: +44 (0) 7802 457 396<BR>> *Direct
Line*: +44 (0) 1761 568 004*<BR>> CMA Office: *+44 (0) 1142 795
219<BR>> *Email:* <A href="mailto:Chair@Commedia.org.uk"
target=_blank>Chair@Commedia.org.uk</A> <mailto:<A
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