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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Do we include participants in the actual
projects in these figures or are these figures just ‘listeners’
?? if so, then I think you will find we are maybe looking at an even
bigger number than this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>James Cridland<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 21 January 2015 12:49<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> The Community Media
Association Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Community
Radio Order</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Given community radio reaches 10 million people a week</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Do you have a source
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>RAJAR's "other
radio" line, which should contain all non-subscribers to RAJAR, says
3.8m/week, of which community radio would be alongside pirate, internet and
"not radio but calls itself radio".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed Jan 21 2015 at 12:20:12 PM Phil <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Edmonds</st1:place></st1:City> <<a
href="mailto:lists@philedmonds.info">lists@philedmonds.info</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The main two points to summarise the many dozens of messages that have<br>
been coming back and forth over past few days:<br>
<br>
1 - To run a community radio station top of the list needs to be a paid<br>
'Station Manager' of some description.<br>
<br>
2 - Most community radio stations are so strapped for cash that this is<br>
difficult to achieve. A significant majority have an hard time covering<br>
'core costs' never mind any development work.<br>
<br>
<br>
So what in my view what does "the announcement" need to address? All<br>
links to my overarching issue "financing the sector".<br>
<br>
1 - Licence renewal process.<br>
We're now only months away from the "first batch" of stations current<br>
licences expiring with no renewal process in place. What chance has any<br>
one got of getting anywhere near a sustainable business plan if they<br>
don't know if they'll still have a licence?<br>
<br>
<br>
2 - Removal of on-air advertising restrictions for stations overlapping<br>
small commercial radio stations.<br>
The turnover of a community radio station is so small as to have no<br>
meaningful impact on a "small commercial licence" holders business. A<br>
decade down the road from the original ruling a commercial station's<br>
real competitor on a local scale is Google and Facebook advertising. At<br>
least a community radio station can help keep the money in the local<br>
economy, not to some off-shore multi-national.<br>
<br>
<br>
3 - Community Radio Fund.<br>
Everyone thinks it's too small. If it's aim is to help towards core<br>
costs or building sustainability in the sector it's clearly not working<br>
as effectively as it could. Perhaps it would be better if a chunk of the<br>
funds were just directed towards Ofcom to subsidise Community Radio<br>
Ofcom licence fees? Even extending this to the music licensing bodies -<br>
sector wide blanket licences at zero cost to stations sounds good.<br>
<br>
<br>
4 - 50% advertising and sponsorship rule.<br>
I'd propose that this isn't as pressing a worry as some think. A<br>
diversity of funding sources I think helps protect the qualities of a<br>
community radio station. Once you've claimed for volunteer time, it's<br>
actually a 66% rule in 'cash terms' - and possibly an even higher<br>
percentage if you've any support "in kind" you can claim for on your<br>
Ofcom return.<br>
<br>
<br>
Phil.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20/01/2015 20:28, Canalside's The Thread wrote:<br>
> Here’s a few Dom :- from Mr Wright in Bangingheadagainstwallshire<br>
><br>
> 1)Why have successive Governments and Ministers pandered to commercial<br>
> radio whilst neglecting community radio ?<br>
><br>
> 2)Why have we still got restrictions after 12 years ?<br>
><br>
> 3)Have the requests that we have been asking for the last 6 years been<br>
> implemented ?<br>
><br>
> 4)On Thursday will you be making a speech telling us everything we<br>
> already know ? or are there serious beneficial changes for us
will<br>
> bureaucracy and reporting be reduced ?<br>
><br>
> 5)Do you think that some Community Radio Stations deserve a gold clock<br>
> for managing to stay afloat whilst still achieving their key commitments<br>
> ? under the clouds of restrictions<br>
><br>
> 6)Will there be a little more money going in the Community Radio Pot ?<br>
> as we have gotten the same amount that was in 10 years ago with more<br>
> Stations on-air<br>
><br>
> 7)Re:- restrictions ….. if they do stay in some way shape or form
how<br>
> come 4 major on-air Stations have had to operate with NO ON-AIR<br>
> Advertising at all and by the way you are not allowed to use the small<br>
> ILR argument or the less than 150,000 argument as neither are relevant<br>
> and neither are true. The Stations are mainly part of bigger groups<br>
> which lifts them above the 150,000 anyway<br>
><br>
> 8)Are we to start limbering up ready for the announcement (ie:- putting<br>
> our deep heat on) as in are we going to have nice little smiles on our<br>
> faces afterwards or is it going to be a damp squib ?<br>
><br>
> 9)Do you seriously think there will be a falling over of commercial<br>
> Stations if restrictions are lifted ? because I don’t.<br>
><br>
> 10)How are things in the DCMS ?<br>
><br>
> 11)Would you like a cup of tea and a Hob Knob ?<br>
><br>
> 12)And finally … all the Stations who have done a wonderful job will<br>
> they be given first bite of the cherry when / if extensions of licences<br>
> are offered which by the way I also think should be
the case …. If<br>
> not, could you tell us why we shouldn’t then all pack up now and go
home ?<br>
><br>
> It’s a good job I’m not interviewing him, we’d get to about
number 5 and<br>
> then he’d walk out after 10 minutes<br>
><br>
> I think it sums things up to be honest when a Bill that has now turned<br>
> up 4 years after it should have is now having only 15 minutes laid aside<br>
> for discussion.<br>
><br>
> All tongue in cheek of course …. Ed’s a decent man I know, and
Dom will<br>
> do a good job<br>
><br>
> And well done to all the Community Radio fraternity<br>
>
by the way Dom, do you know roughly what is in<br>
> the Bill or not. The reason I ask is because you will have to have some<br>
> idea so that you know what you are asking him ….. if this is true,
then<br>
> my questions do not need to be asked as you will be on a
‘’’positive’’’<br>
> footing ….. if you do not know what is in the document, then sadly
my<br>
> questions are relevant and you good have an argument / debate situation<br>
> on your hands. I like to think we have gone past that point now and that<br>
> my questions are now consigned to the bin ….. apart from the Hon
Knob J<br>
><br>
> Nick<br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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> *From:*<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk"
target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk"
target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] *On Behalf Of *CMA-L<br>
> *Sent:* 20 January 2015 17:34<br>
> *To:* <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
> *Subject:* [cma-l] Community Radio Order<br>
><br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: *Dom Chambers* <<a href="mailto:chair@commedia.org.uk"
target="_blank">chair@commedia.org.uk</a> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:chair@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">chair@commedia.org.uk</a>>><br>
><br>
> TO CMA members,<br>
><br>
> The Community Radio Order is due to be published on Thursday this week.<br>
> I will be interviewing DCMS minister Ed Vaizey on Thursday morning.<br>
> Time is limited to around 15 minutes for this. I will be conducting the<br>
> interview on behalf of the CMA and welcome any questions you might like<br>
> me to consider informing the interview. We will naturally focus on the<br>
> content and implications of the CRO but this will be an opportunity to<br>
> also ask about other areas of community media development.<br>
><br>
> Best to all,<br>
><br>
> Dom 1<br>
><br>
> *Dom Chambers*<br>
> *Chair*<br>
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