Hello, Glyn,<br><br>You are confusing me for a DAB zealot, but... you talk about an S curve, and point out an absence of this for DAB. There is no such thing for any "modern radio technology" - DRM has yet to even start, HD Radio isn't seeing the S curve either, the internet is slow to grow and a quarter of the size of DAB, and SiriusXM - a peculiarly US solution for a peculiar US market - is less popular than DAB as well. Even FM took over 40 years to overtake AM, and DAB is doing rather better than that. Actually, DAB is the most popular digital radio technology in the world, and the UK is still the most successful country to have adopted it. As a matter of fact, purchases of DAB are now outperforming purchases of radio as a whole. So why accuse the technology of "not capturing imagination" and being a misery about it?<br><br>And I entirely agree about the change of name, and the pricing. That doesn't mean the technology is crap, so why do it down?<br><br>Does DAB offer anything for community radio that FM doesn't? Nope. My concern is that FM turns into a backwater of community and pirate radio, while the big boys are all over on DAB; and if the big boys vacate FM, who is going to put pressure on Ofcom to close the pirate stations down? A government - mandated switchover is a terrible thing.<br><br><a href="http://james.cridland.net">http://james.cridland.net</a> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:45 Associated Broadcast Consultants <<a href="mailto:info@a-bc.co.uk">info@a-bc.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">To be fair though James, DAB does not seem to have captured the imagination of listeners, judging by adoption. Most modern radio technologies have an S-shaped adoption curve - that's to say a little slow at the beginning while the early-adopters buy it, but then quickly seeing an exponential growth as it becomes mainstream. I may be wrong, but I don't think we've seen this with DAB in terms of adoption/penetration of receivers. We can only hope that the slow adoption in not a sign of a deeper malaise with radio in general, regardless of delivery technology.<div><br></div><div>Also what's this with the insidious re-naming from "Low cost DAB" to "small scale DAB"? Even Ofcom have started using the term in their latest consultation! In my opinion we need to focus more on the low cost, and leave the size/scale decision to whatever is best to deliver low cost.</div><div><br></div><div>Glyn</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>-- <br><div>Glyn Roylance - Principal Consultant<div><a href="http://www.a-bc.co.uk/" target="_blank">Associated Broadcast Consultants</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 November 2014 19:53, James Cridland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cridland.net" target="_blank">james@cridland.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry for sounding like a bit of a broken record, but you say "whilst DAB may not be on a downward spiral" - thank you for admitting you were wrong - you also say "it certainly isn't really in the ascendancy."<br><br>Hmm. Let's see. Year on year, it has more listeners, more listening hours, sales of DAB sets outperforming sales of radio receivers as a whole, now in 70% of new cars (according to some numbers I heard last week in an event), increased take up in much of Europe, two new UK national station launches in the space of three months, a second national multiplex on the way with multiple bidders... Certainly looks like it is in the ascendancy to me.<br><br>Yes, it is wholly unsuitable for community radio right now. Utterly unsuitable, and cripplingly expensive: two things that DAB+ won't solve, by the way, and I don't even believe that the little muxes will properly solve that either.<br><br>But what irks me somewhat is that you, and people like you, seek to denigrate an entire platform for everybody because it won't work for *you*. Either you want to be on DAB (presumably you do, otherwise you'd not rightly complain about the suitability and pricing), or you think DAB is entirely unsuitable for any radio broadcasting (and in which case, respectfully, you are wrong, as the figures show). Either way, you should pick your side.<br><br><a href="http://james.cridland.net" target="_blank">http://james.cridland.net</a> <br><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:56 fantasy office <<a href="mailto:office@fantasyradio.co.uk" target="_blank">office@fantasyradio.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Thank you James, for your response.<br>
<br>
And respect to you for plugging the name of our station twice in your<br>
reply! I didn't say that 6music was only available on DAB - I said it's<br>
not on FM...which is rather different.<br>
Whilst DAB may not be on a downward spiral, it certainly isn't really in<br>
the ascendancy.<br>
But the problem is - Money! DAB is very expensive to broadcast and the<br>
receivers have been too expensive for too long. And now with DAB+ those<br>
loyal DAB listeners are going to have to re-invest!<br>
DAB broadcasting is far too expensive...and even with the new Ofcom<br>
initiative, how many additional listeners would a community station be<br>
able to attract, over and above what they already have on FM?<br>
<br>
The DAB/FM debate has been going on for a long time. If DAB could show a<br>
clear advantage, in cost, in audio quality and in added listenership<br>
potential, there would be no contest. However, DAB, for community radio<br>
as well as for some commercial stations, can offer no such benefit.<br>
<br>
I'm glad though, you agree that DAB has been poorly marketed, and that<br>
we should all be getting behind RADIO for all the right reasons,<br>
whatever platforms remain.<br>
<br>
Sorry you can't get FM in your kitchen, James. Was it built within a<br>
Faraday Cage?<br>
<br>
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Phil Dawson<br>
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