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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Gentlemen. (and ladies) I really don't
want this to become a 'digital spy' kind of debate. That was
really not my intention, but these figures are very confusing - I
quote from an article of yours James:
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Doesn't that mean over two thirds of Radio sets sold were Not DAB,
therefore FM? And, although a lot of new cars are coming out with
DAB (and FM) radios, by far the vast majority of cars CURRENTLY on
the road do NOT have DAB. Considering the length of time DAB has
been around, it doesn't look all that promising.<br>
<br>
But I must take you to task for suggesting that I (and people like
me) 'seek to denigrate the whole platform'. This is just not true.
I have been a fan - and have followed the progress of DAB for many
years, just waiting for it to take off - but it hasn't - because,
quite honestly it isn't very good, in many parts of the country. <br>
<br>
So, please let's not have a duel about this, we are on the same
side. I would love to have a fabulous new-technology platform on
which to broadcast, packed with listeners. Trouble is, for many of
the reasons discussed here, we haven't, and it divides us. instead
of uniting the enthusiastic, dedicated and talented people in
Community and Commercial radio broadcasting.<br>
<br>
We should, I repeat, be making good radio, because we can - and
promoting it as such to our audience, many of whom couldn't care
less if it's DAB, FM or even AM!<br>
<br>
Phil Dawson<br>
FANTASY RADIO<br>
DEVZES<br>
Wiltshire.<br>
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Sorry for sounding like a bit of a broken record, but you say "whilst DAB
may not be on a downward spiral" - thank you for admitting you were wrong -
you also say "it certainly isn't really in the ascendancy."
Hmm. Let's see. Year on year, it has more listeners, more listening hours,
sales of DAB sets outperforming sales of radio receivers as a whole, now in
70% of new cars (according to some numbers I heard last week in an event),
increased take up in much of Europe, two new UK national station launches
in the space of three months, a second national multiplex on the way with
multiple bidders... Certainly looks like it is in the ascendancy to me.
Yes, it is wholly unsuitable for community radio right now. Utterly
unsuitable, and cripplingly expensive: two things that DAB+ won't solve, by
the way, and I don't even believe that the little muxes will properly solve
that either.
But what irks me somewhat is that you, and people like you, seek to
denigrate an entire platform for everybody because it won't work for *you*.
Either you want to be on DAB (presumably you do, otherwise you'd not
rightly complain about the suitability and pricing), or you think DAB is
entirely unsuitable for any radio broadcasting (and in which case,
respectfully, you are wrong, as the figures show). Either way, you should
pick your side.
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<pre wrap="">Thank you James, for your response.
And respect to you for plugging the name of our station twice in your
reply! I didn't say that 6music was only available on DAB - I said it's
not on FM...which is rather different.
Whilst DAB may not be on a downward spiral, it certainly isn't really in
the ascendancy.
But the problem is - Money! DAB is very expensive to broadcast and the
receivers have been too expensive for too long. And now with DAB+ those
loyal DAB listeners are going to have to re-invest!
DAB broadcasting is far too expensive...and even with the new Ofcom
initiative, how many additional listeners would a community station be
able to attract, over and above what they already have on FM?
The DAB/FM debate has been going on for a long time. If DAB could show a
clear advantage, in cost, in audio quality and in added listenership
potential, there would be no contest. However, DAB, for community radio
as well as for some commercial stations, can offer no such benefit.
I'm glad though, you agree that DAB has been poorly marketed, and that
we should all be getting behind RADIO for all the right reasons,
whatever platforms remain.
Sorry you can't get FM in your kitchen, James. Was it built within a
Faraday Cage?
Phil Dawson
FANTASY RADIO
Devizes,
Wiltshire
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I am so sorry to read this.
All our best wishes go to members of the Station from all at SWINDON
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Subject: [cma-l] Superstation in Orkney ceases broadcasting
Apparently, it fell off the air at midday today.
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Am going to treat myself to an new WAV recorder for location work when
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It will replace the Roland R-05 I have had for a few years.
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Any suggestions as to what works for you or your colleagues
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To be fair though James, DAB does not seem to have captured the imagination
of listeners, judging by adoption. Most modern radio technologies have an
S-shaped adoption curve - that's to say a little slow at the beginning
while the early-adopters buy it, but then quickly seeing an exponential
growth as it becomes mainstream. I may be wrong, but I don't think we've
seen this with DAB in terms of adoption/penetration of receivers. We can
only hope that the slow adoption in not a sign of a deeper malaise with
radio in general, regardless of delivery technology.
Also what's this with the insidious re-naming from "Low cost DAB" to "small
scale DAB"? Even Ofcom have started using the term in their latest
consultation! In my opinion we need to focus more on the low cost, and
leave the size/scale decision to whatever is best to deliver low cost.
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