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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri>The possible problem with a housing estate
is not that the 54dBuV/m figure is wrong, but is the difficulty of accurately
predicting the fine detail of field strength - although top flight packages with
the up-to-date databases are incredibly good at taking these things into
account. (Actually I would have thought modern housing estates might well be
less of a problem than the traditional streets of terraced houses prevalent in
the 1950s when the figures were first set.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri>You seem to be implying that because it is hard
to calculate urban clutter we just should chuck a bit more power at it - ie
aim for a higher rooftop field strength overall. Ironically, an unintended
consequence of that would inevitably be that there would be fewer available
slots in the spectrum overall, since for any given protection ratio the
more you increase transmitter powers the fewer there can be (in non-terrain
limited parts of the country).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri>Yes, it was doubts over whether existing
field strengths for DAB indoors were sufficient in the light of experience that
was a key aspect of the 2011 review - but that was for DAB, not for FM. The FM
study done in preparation for the DAB review concluded that it was still
the case that <EM>"...</EM></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Calibri><EM>the current
assumed level of rooftop field strength (54 dBμV/m) provides a good way of
predicting good, indoor mono FM reception on modern portable receivers. However,
many receivers will produce what some listeners might </EM></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Calibri><EM>regard as an acceptable service at a field strength of 48
dBμV/m, and so this could be used to define variable, indoor portable FM
reception."</EM> So, far from saying 54dB might be inadequate, the study
concluded that it might be more than is needed with modern radios and listening
habits.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri>Alex</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri>PS</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Calibri>The point about the screening of modern houses is
very true. I think I mentioned it in an earlier post as it is a bit of a
hobby-horse of mine! Not only do builders almost universally use
foil-backed plasterboard for walls and ceilings nowadays rather than only where
a vapour barrier is needed, but if you add to that energy saving low-e
glass (which is metal plated), then you really are making life tough for
radiowaves. But it doesn't affect most people with a typical kitchen window
radio, and it's still only a partial effect at Band II frequencies. It does
affects DAB considerably worse, and that could partly account for why practical
results for DAB were proving worse than anticipated when using a similar
rooftop proxy (it had been 58 dBμV/m but was raised to 69 dBμV/m as a
result of review).</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=alan.coote@5digital.co.uk
href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk">Alan Coote</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cma-l] Extending Community
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<P class=MsoNormal><A name=_MailEndCompose><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
take your point on 54dBuV/m being a proxy, but this coupled with terrain data
accuracy means the plots are a rough estimate. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></A></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">That’s
not a problem on a large scale. But at the granularity of the average
community station, it means if coverage of a typical housing estate is
calculated to be passable and in reality it’s not, it could be the difference
between a viable station or not. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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factor overlooked is that modern construction techniques dictate buildings are
better insulated. The knock of effect is some houses and offices are very good
Faraday cages. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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poor indoor reception the reason DABs coverage was reviewed? I know out of
town retailers put a signal booster in the roof so that their DAB radios work
on the shelf. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Media Association Discussion List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cma-l] Extending
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I find it very
hard to get worked up about that 54dBuV/m contour at 10m. It seems to work
very well as a practical guideline to the required field
strength for satisfactory reception in typical
cases. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ofcom has looked
at the issue several times, including a careful review in 2011 as part of
planning DAB coverage, and every time has come to the conclusion that 54dBuV/m
VHF FM at 10m height makes a perfectly good proxy for what actual field
strength is required at the windowsill for typical portable
radio reception.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It fits well
with what I've found in practice - a rooftop level of 54dBuV/m is
fine for transistor portables on windowsills, 60dBuV/m better for general
indoor reception. Cars seem very happy with 42-48dBuV/m. Your mileage may
vary!</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Of course it's
true that more transmitter power may be needed in towns to achieve these field
strengths, and I'm not arguing for one second that a "25W for all"
approach would be realistic, but the 10m target field
strength levels are not the issue - you still need 54-60dBuV/m
for reliable reception, even in a densely built up area.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What may change
for an urban or hilly setting is the power needed to achieve that
level at a given position. But the answer to getting that right is not to say
you need a greater field strength at the receiver - that's still 54dBuV/m at
10m - it's down to using good quality propagation prediction software
that can take urban clutter etc into account and tell you what transmission
power and location is likely to provide that field strength. At least in a
town there is more chance of finding a block of flats or other relatively
high structure that can help.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ofcom clearly
does to some extent take into account that 25W does not always delivered the
desired signal at 5km - that's shown by Ian Hickling's recent analysis showing
that 34 CR stations have more than 25W+25W in use. It's also noticeable that
three-quarters of existing licencees could improve their effective
strength by up to 3dB by using their horizonatal 25W clearances, but aren't
doing so. Yes, it's a signifcant extra cost for quite a small gain, but every
little helps, and it's hard to argue with Ofcom for more power if you aren't
already using everything allocated.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It's also the
case that many stations could with a bit of effort/cost find more
advantageous transmitter locations to make the most of their 25+25
allocation. Just for example, 25W at the top of a tower block in
Glasgow or Leeds should give a comfortable 5km 54dBuV/m range in most
locations across the cities. Again, there's usually a cost to a remote TX
site, but if it makes a huge difference to the station's likely coverage
and/or income you have to do the sums and decide.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The effects of TX
height are really very important to coverage in hilly terrain. I
noticed the other day that Speysound CR broadcasting from Cairngorm with
68W power comes through at excellent car radio strength in the hilly
suburbs of Dingwall, some 80km away. But they do have a rather favourable TX
site at 1100m ASL!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm not familiar
with Bollington and its neighbouring 'hamlet' to the south-west, except from
what I see on maps. If the present antenna is on the tower of
Clarence Mill you'd think it would provide reasonable coverage to the wider
area, but it seems to me that, again just for example, 25W+25W on
a 10m elevation in the Kerridge / Hollin area would provide
excellent coverage of Bollington as well much stronger coverage of its,
ahem, neighbouring settlement to the south west. Those options and
others should have been apparent right from the
start.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Don't get me
wrong, I'm not arguing that Ofcom couldn't do a lot more to relax some of the
power/spectrum restrictions, and maybe doesn't put as much effort or
innovation into it as it could. However, arguing that the 54dBuV/m at 10m
guiideline is inadequate doesn't seem to me to be a productive way forward -
it's a complete diversion.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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title=alan.coote@5digital.co.uk href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk">Alan
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title=cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk
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href="mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com">'ROBERT TYLER'</A> ; <A
title=ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk
href="mailto:ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk">ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tuesday,
September 30, 2014 10:06 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [cma-l]
Extending Community Radio on FM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It’s
amazing that 54dBuV/m at 10m has been maintained for so long when it has
little resemblance to the vast majority of setups. When projected to
antennas at a more normal 1.5 – 2.5 metres above ground level, the field
strength needs to be significantly greater.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
other very significant practical issue is that the field strength required
to cover dense urban, urban and open country is different. Greater
power helps in towns and cities due to the losses (refractions, reflections
and absorptions) which affect the wanted signal.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This
is very apparent in lower power stations (like community radio) as the
fringes of coverage are often in areas which the station wishes to reach.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
we accepted that 25W does not always = 5km, I wonder therefore if Ofcom
should take this more into account when licensing stations? An additional
benefit would be that spectrum is better managed and (ref’ to Ian’s original
post) more groups would end up getting licensed.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Two Lochs Radio<BR><B>Sent:</B> 29 September 2014
18:17<BR><B>To:</B> ROBERT TYLER; The Community Media Association Discussion
List; <A
href="mailto:ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk">ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [cma-l] Extending Community Radio on
FM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bob</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You're right
about the original signal specs being based on the assumption of outdoor
aerials, but receivers were much less sensitive at the time, and by happy
chance the improvements in receiver sensitivity have approximately
counteracted the move to indoor whip aerials, so the planning based on the
same 54dBuv/m signal level at 10m height still gives a useful guide as to
the required signal for robust coverage.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">When the BBC
VHF service first began they worked to a definition of 60dBuv/m needed for
good service in mono (later 66dBuV/m for stereo), and 48dBuV/m
(later 54dBuV/m for stereo) as the 'nominal limit of satisfactory
reception'. Ofcom still uses this, summarizing it like
this:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><IMG
id=_x0000_i1026 border=0 src="cid:E2F91B6789344D0A802D6A0FACD37AEE@wwpc04"
width=402 height=245></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would be
cautious about assuming much better selectivity or sensitivity on modern FM
receivers - there are plenty of shower, bedside clock-radio and other
cheapy FM radios that tell a different tale!</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I was
interested in your reference to "the Home Service Bedford transmitter". What
was that? I understood the VHF Home Service for the southeast began in 1955
on much the same site as today - Wrotham in Kent (there was 120kW at
Wrotham, Norwich and Sutton Coldfield to start with). Bow Brickhill which
now serves Bedford on VHF wasn't set up until the 1980s as I recall, and was
mainly as a result of the need to cover the burgeoning Milton
Keynes.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It's not
correct that in 1955 it was thought there would be only two services on VHF
- the Third programme was already 9 years old and went onto VHF
simultaneously with the Home Service and the Light Programme.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">When the BBC
first planned it all for three services the band was one-third its
present size (88.0-94.6 MHz), and as for us having more space between
stations than any other country in Europe - a quick look at a transmitter
map of Northern Europe both historically and today would show that not
to be true. Southern Europe (okay, Italy really) is another story of
course!</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Alex</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=bobtyler@btinternet.com href="mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com">ROBERT
TYLER</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk
href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">The Community Media
Association Discussion List</A> ; <A title=ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk
href="mailto:ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk">ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Sunday,
September 28, 2014 8:09 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [cma-l]
Extending Community Radio on FM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Tony<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">It is my
understanding that the British specification for the FM (then VHF) band
was established before the Second World War. At the time it was considered
that only the two BBC services would be on VHF. I believe that the
specifications laid down are still current and are based on roof top
aerials, as it was considered that to receive VHF such an aerial would be
required. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Also for some
reason, we in the UK also decided to employ extra
separation/guarding, in order to prevent ANY possibility of the Home
Service Bedford transmitter interfering with the Home Service Dover
transmitter or Crewe Relay. In other words, we have more space between
services than any other country in Europe. In many respects we have the
perfect VHF/FM transmitter network.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Of course then,
it was not expected that the reception of radio would extend to telescopic
aerials or tiny coil antenna, thereby making the roof top aerial
redundant. Nor even then, was the prospect of commercial or community
radio in the future mix. As a side issue, a few commercial stations and
many community radio station are in allocated BBC spectrum at the behest
of Dear Old Aunty. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The mystery of so
called �expertise� in planning the VHF/FM spectrum has remained in the
hand of the regulators. I do remember asking my MP sometime in the
70�s to lodge a written question about an available frequency to The
Home Secretary, only to receive the reply that 101 point something was
�used to track otters� . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I did have it
confirmed that 102.2 was assigned wrongly and should have been able to
accommodate several UK allocations but apparently the spectrum had been
badly assigned at a too high a power in the East of England, (flat
terrain) thereby rendering the space sterile for a large part of the
country. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">In summary there
are many issues (and many question) surrounding spectrum allocation and
the regulator of the day always hold the mystery ticket. The �beauty
contest� of selecting future licence holders compounds the decision
process. The reality is that the only policy is to switch to DAB so any FM
debate is a waste of time. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hope this
helps<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Bob<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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