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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear All<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All this talk of Stations not getting
licensed and DAB etc etc it’s about time they shifted all the BBC Stations onto
DAB, got the commercial boys to turn their power down slightly and then the number
of REAL LOCAL RADIO STATIONS ie:- Community Radio - would possibly shoot up
from 240 up to 1,240 overnight, providing the authorities weren’t turning that
Oil Tanker around again </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not difficult at all in my book, it’s just
made difficult ….. whether this is just the nature of the Beast or deliberate I
don’t think we will ever know ?? ……….damn frustrating nonetheless ! I get exasperated
!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Coote<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 30 September 2014 10:06<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'The Community Media
Association Discussion List'; 'ROBERT TYLER'; ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Extending
Community Radio on FM</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>It’s
amazing that 54dBuV/m at 10m has been maintained for so long when it has little
resemblance to the vast majority of setups. When projected to antennas at a
more normal 1.5 – 2.5 metres above ground level, the field strength needs to be
significantly greater.</span></font></a><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The other very
significant practical issue is that the field strength required to cover dense
urban, urban and open country is different. Greater power helps in towns
and cities due to the losses (refractions, reflections and absorptions) which
affect the wanted signal. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>This is very
apparent in lower power stations (like community radio) as the fringes of
coverage are often in areas which the station wishes to reach.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>If we accepted that
25W does not always = 5km, I wonder therefore if Ofcom should take this more
into account when licensing stations? An additional benefit would be that
spectrum is better managed and (ref’ to Ian’s original post) more groups would
end up getting licensed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="http://www.letstalkbusinessonline.com/"><font size=2
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Hear Alan Every
Week on Let’s Talk Business The UK’s Premier Radio Programme For Current and
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Email - </span></font><a
href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk"><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Phone - 0800 949
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Twitter - </span></font><a
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The Media
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Two Lochs Radio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 29 September 2014 18:17<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ROBERT TYLER; The Community
Media Association Discussion List; ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Extending
Community Radio on FM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>You're right about the original signal specs being based
on the assumption of outdoor aerials, but receivers were much less sensitive at
the time, and by happy chance the improvements in receiver sensitivity have
approximately counteracted the move to indoor whip aerials, so the planning
based on the same 54dBuv/m signal level at 10m height still gives a useful
guide as to the required signal for robust coverage.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>When the BBC VHF service first began they worked to a
definition of 60dBuv/m needed for good service in mono (later 66dBuV/m for
stereo), and 48dBuV/m (later 54dBuV/m for stereo) as the 'nominal
limit of satisfactory reception'. Ofcom still uses this, summarizing
it like this:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I would be cautious about assuming much better selectivity
or sensitivity on modern FM receivers - there are plenty of shower, bedside
clock-radio and other cheapy FM radios that tell a different tale!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I was interested in your reference to "the Home Service
Bedford transmitter". What was that? I understood the VHF Home Service for
the southeast began in 1955 on much the same site as today - Wrotham in <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Kent</st1:country-region> (there was 120kW at Wrotham, <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Norwich</st1:place></st1:City> and Sutton
Coldfield to start with). Bow Brickhill which now serves <st1:City w:st="on">Bedford</st1:City>
on VHF wasn't set up until the 1980s as I recall, and was mainly as a result of
the need to cover the burgeoning <st1:place w:st="on">Milton Keynes</st1:place>.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>It's not correct that in 1955 it was thought there would
be only two services on VHF - the Third programme was already 9 years old and
went onto VHF simultaneously with the Home Service and the Light
Programme. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>When the BBC first planned it all for three
services the band was one-third its present size (88.0-94.6 MHz), and as
for us having more space between stations than any other country in Europe - a
quick look at a transmitter map of <st1:place w:st="on">Northern Europe</st1:place> both
historically and today would show that not to be true. Southern Europe (okay, <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Italy</st1:place></st1:country-region> really)
is another story of course!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com" title="bobtyler@btinternet.com">ROBERT
TYLER</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk"
title="cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">The Community Media Association
Discussion List</a> ; <a href="mailto:ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk"
title="ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk">ravensound@pilgrimsound.co.uk</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, September
28, 2014 8:09 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [cma-l]
Extending Community Radio on FM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Tony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>It is
my understanding that the British specification for the FM (then VHF) band was
established before the Second World War. At the time it was considered that
only the two BBC services would be on VHF. I believe that the specifications
laid down are still current and are based on roof top aerials, as it was
considered that to receive VHF such an aerial would be required. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Also
for some reason, we in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
also decided to employ extra separation/guarding, in order to prevent ANY
possibility of the Home Service Bedford transmitter interfering with the
Home Service Dover transmitter or Crewe Relay. In other words, we have more
space between services than any other country in <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>.
In many respects we have the perfect VHF/FM transmitter network.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Of
course then, it was not expected that the reception of radio would extend to
telescopic aerials or tiny coil antenna, thereby making the roof top aerial
redundant. Nor even then, was the prospect of commercial or community radio in
the future mix. As a side issue, a few commercial stations and many community
radio station are in allocated BBC spectrum at the behest of Dear Old Aunty. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>The
mystery of so called </span></font><font color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black'>�</span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>expertise</span></font><font
color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
color:black'>�</span></font><font color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> in planning the VHF/FM spectrum has
remained in the hand of the regulators. I do remember asking my MP sometime in
the 70</span></font><font color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black'>�</span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>s to
lodge a written question about an available frequency to The Home Secretary,
only to receive the reply that 101 point something was </span></font><font
color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
color:black'>�</span></font><font color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>used to track otters</span></font><font
color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
color:black'>�</span></font><font color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>I did
have it confirmed that 102.2 was assigned wrongly and should have been able to
accommodate several UK allocations but apparently the spectrum had been badly
assigned at a too high a power in the East of England, (flat terrain)
thereby rendering the space sterile for a large part of the country. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>In
summary there are many issues (and many question) surrounding spectrum
allocation and the regulator of the day always hold the mystery ticket. The </span></font><font
color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
color:black'>�</span></font><font color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>beauty contest</span></font><font
color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
color:black'>�</span></font><font color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> of selecting future licence holders
compounds the decision process. The reality is that the only policy is to
switch to DAB so any FM debate is a waste of time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Hope
this helps<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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