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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The FM protection ratios were set up using a specs’ based on the selectivity and sensitivity of radios in the 60s. The IBA, Radio Authority and Ofcom planned licences based on their analysis of available frequencies using this spec’. It became an ITU standard so is very unlikely to change. <o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fitting new stations on an ad-hoc basis has the danger of commercial operators being disadvantaged through interference, however occasional. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Picking up Nick’s point about Silk FM getting more power, this has happened numerous times around the UK. It’s because commercial stations are licenced to use a preallocated and cleared frequency by Ofcom. Should a licenced station make a case that either Ofcom’s analysis was wrong, or over time the area has changed, then Ofcom will need to reflect that by permitting changes to the coverage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is of course a totally different scenario from the way community stations start life. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At the end of the day Ofcom is full of people whose job it is to run things by the rules. There is absolutely no advantage to them doing otherwise. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In my view a better baton to wave is for access to DAB via standalone stations – here the rules aren’t even set. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.letstalkbusinessonline.com/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hear Alan Every Week on Let’s Talk Business The UK’s Premier Radio Programme For Current and Future Entrepreneurs - Now Broadcast To 4.3 Million People </span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Email - </span><a href="mailto:alan.coote@5digital.co.uk"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>alan.coote@5digital.co.uk</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phone - 0800 949 6655<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mobile - 07801 518858<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Twitter - </span><a href="http://www.twitter.com/TheAlanCoote"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>@TheAlanCoote</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Web - </span><a href="http://www.5digital.co.uk/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://www.5digital.co.uk</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=200 height=71 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.gif@01CFD8B5.A6C5E120" alt="cid:image001.gif@01CE03CD.223AC920"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Media Production, Broadcasting and Training Company<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian Hickling<br><b>Sent:</b> 25 September 2014 08:23<br><b>To:</b> The Community Media Association Discussion List; Associated Broadcast Consultants<br><b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] Community Radio on AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I don't agree that ".....proper computerised tools are needed to do it properly" Glyn - sorry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Computerised tools have got us into the farce that we are currently in.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Certainly we need proper planning - but after that we need practical onsite trials as you say with measurement and analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This however is costly in terms of the equipment and manpower which Ofcom does not have available and is not going to get funded by HMG.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So Ofcom <b>could</b> do it but won't.<br>Lots of us <b>can</b> do it - but Ofcom doesn't accept that concept.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:info@a-bc.co.uk">info@a-bc.co.uk</a><br>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:11:01 +0100<br>CC: <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio on AM<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I understand the 'complex scientific' side of it, but I still don't honestly see how the map helps give any insight other than in the crudest measure of overall density of stations. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It shows the general density of stations and is a nice tool for browsing stations and frequencies, but it gives no visual representation whatever of frequencies or powers, so I don't honestly see how it gives even the vaguest insight into the interference landscape for a station.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It could maybe take useful steps in that direction with some development. For example if one could select a frequency or transmitter of interest and set a filter to show only stations of that frequency, or of that frequency plus adjacent and/or image channels it would start to give an idea of potential for interference. Combined with perhaps a crude free space range indication using semi-transparent overlays based on on powers and direction templayes it might beging to give a rough feel for the interference landscape for a given station. But as it stands I don't see how it does that in the slightest.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Not meaning to be picky, honest - I like it for what it is, and it does give a feel for the geographic distribution of CR stations, but it doesn't seem to me to offer any useful insight or even vague feel for the interference landscape.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>Alex</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:info@a-bc.co.uk" title="info@a-bc.co.uk">Associated Broadcast Consultants</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" title="tlr@gairloch.co.uk">Two Lochs Radio</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" title="cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">The Community Media Association Discussion List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [cma-l] Community Radio on AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Absolutely right Alex - the frequency selective map would only be for getting an "insight" or feel for the interference landscape - proper computerised tools are needed to do it properly. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It's complex and scientific, but this post below gives a pictorial, non-technical insight into the "Protection Ratios" that Ofcom use, and are one of the reasons they often say there are no frequencies available:-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://a-bc.co.uk/ofcom-fmvhf-protection-ratios-illustrated/" target="_blank">http://a-bc.co.uk/ofcom-fmvhf-protection-ratios-illustrated/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Glyn<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-- <br>Glyn Roylance - Principal Consultant <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.a-bc.co.uk/" target="_blank">Associated Broadcast Consultants</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On 24 September 2014 16:58, Two Lochs Radio <<a href="mailto:tlr@gairloch.co.uk" target="_blank">tlr@gairloch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Glynn<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>That's a nice map for browsing, but as far as mapping all transmitters to allow assessment of potential interference, it surely isn't the way to go. As you'll be well aware you need much more than a simple mapping of potential co-channels - you have to take into account image channels and the directional power templates of antennas at the very least, even before thinking about the intervening terrain. You also have to take into account transmissions in neighbouring countries of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think all that can be done far more effectively in tabular form than on a map.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Of course, the elephant in this particular room is not in any case what frequencies are or aren't occupied, but what parameters Ofcom applies in assessing their potential for mutual interference - eg should a 99% confidence level or a 90% confidence level be used, should second adjacent channel be regarded as safe or not? Those are what make all the difference to the assumed potential for interference between transmitters. Similarly, is potential interference acceptable for 0.1% or 1% of the time or location? All these parameters are really what set the technical bar as to whether or not there are channels available. Then of course there are strategic and political issues, agrements for the BBC to have priority use of certain sub-bands etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>One thing that could be considered for releasing more community radio frequencies is for Ofcom to reuse channels more closely on the basis of a mutual agreement between stations that they will not complain about the remote possibility of mutual interference less than say 1% of the time in 10% of their fringe. We have transmitters on the same frequencies just a few miles apart, but terrain-limited with no significant mutual interference in locations of interest, because we were able to agree not to complain about our transmitters interfering with each other! A similar thing happens on 96.6 between Nevis Radio (Fort William) and MFR (Aviemore) in the Laggan area half way between them. I suspect many groups would be willing to accept a service that might be subject to a little marginal interference in some limited locations rather thna no licence at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As for suggestions on the map, which is nonetheless nice to have, could I suggest you add in the Scottish not-for-profit stations that operate as non-profit community stations, but for historical reasons have commercial licences (Cuillin FM, Two Lochs Radio, Lochbroom FM, Argyll FM, Oban FM, Isles FM). That would give a more representative picture of community radio cover in the northwest of the UK, which otherwise looks a bit empty on the map! There are also community op-outs from MFR in the north-east.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Also for adding the Northern Ireland stations there is a batch convertor for Irish grid references here <a href="http://www.osi.ie/calculators/batch.asp?alias=/services/gps-services/co-ordinate-converter" target="_blank">http://www.osi.ie/calculators/batch.asp?alias=/services/gps-services/co-ordinate-converter</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:info@a-bc.co.uk" target="_blank" title="info@a-bc.co.uk">Associated Broadcast Consultants</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank" title="cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">The Community Media Association Discussion List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:54 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [cma-l] Community Radio on AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Further to Ian's update below - we recently mapped the Ofcom data for FM CR's onto an interactive Google Map that you can browse, zoom etc. If you click on any site if gives the essential information. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://a-bc.co.uk/community-radio-station-map/" target="_blank">http://a-bc.co.uk/community-radio-station-map/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If there is interest we might do a similar map for all UK transmitters (nearly 2000 of them) that you can filter by frequency - thus to get an insight into co-channel interference for any station/location/frequency you wish. Or other variations if people have suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regards, Glyn<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________ Reply - <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a> The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a> Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media">http://twitter.com/community_media</a> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a> Canstream Internet Radio & Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a> _______________________________________________ Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a> _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit: <a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>