<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br>Just with regards to advertising, I think we should all push for the relaxation of the no advertising rule. But, we also need to press for the 50/50 rule to be completely re-examined. </div><div><br></div><div>Much has changed since the original legislation was introduced. How many of us are now operating in an environment where the local commercial station is part of a much larger group? Sharing programme content or rebroadcasting network programming but still with the advantage of selling local advertising all day, every day. </div><div><br></div><div>Isn't it time we called for a more level playing field on income generation? </div><div><br></div><div><br><div>___________________</div><div>Marc Tierney</div><div>Cleddau Community Media</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 13 Feb 2014, at 09:36, Ian Hickling <<a href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Sorry Alan - that simply isn't so.<br>
A CR which is up to its quota has to turn away any additional advertising.<br>
A station which is not permitted advertising at all has to turn away <strong><em>all </em></strong>advertising<br> <br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I think you have a point, but we you and I were in that meeting and heard that some stations allocate income in a way which makes it fall outside of the 50% rule anyway. I suspect if the rule were removed we would see a truer reflection of income. </span></a></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">and the rule that says NO advertising at all.. which I think is completely unfair and unjust and should be removed as soon as possible.. that will create the level playing fields and I dont think it will have any effect on 95% of commercial stations because I would suspect its mainly effecting old legacy IRL's which are now sudo national / regional brands (eg Heart)..</p></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">but your right that this has suppose to be coming for over 2 years now? I remember attending an ofcom meeting to discuss this 2 years ago and apparently the white paper would be in a few months time.. </p></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">I keep hearing "The consultation is in two weeks" but, when is it actually going to happen?</p></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">2. The community radio 50/50 rule will get abolished as a percentage rule, but community stations will still have to be funded through additional sources, as the government will not allow community radio to be wholly funded by advertising.</p></div>
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