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It's quite simple.<BR>
if you choose not to go along with present Government Policies - you won't get any co-operation from that source - and that isn't a very good move inless you have a much better (and more lucrative) alternative.<BR>
If you read carefully, I wasn't advocating alignment with transitory Policies, but with the Law.<BR>
I submit that there is a very distinct difference.<BR>
I don't know what MECCSA is, but it rejected my message, so it looks like it's not interested in other views.<BR><BR>
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:18:14 +0000<BR>From: lockwood@btinternet.com<BR>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Making Media Matter?<BR>To: ian@transplan.uk.com; roger@coalway.f9.co.uk; cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>CC: meccsa@jiscmail.ac.uk<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>I disagree with the suggestion that we should pussyfoot around to accommodate present government policies. After all government's are transitory, and will change tack like the Vicar of Bray - and that's no criticism of politicians. It is their job to reflect the wishes of the people - and it would appear there is a growing recognition of the separation between rich and the rest of us, let alone the poor.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>That movement needs expression, as does the views of anyone else. Our job as community broadcasters is to provide a platform that allows anyone to broadcast. All we have to do is ensure that we abide by the broadcast code and regulations.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>To suggest that anyone should be prevented from using our services is a very dangerous road to travel. <BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Do I tell presenters not to mention Tottenham Hotspur? Or ever suggest cooking tripe? Or to support and promote all government diktats?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>If a reasonable case is presented - then a platform should be made available. If there appears to be disagreement then organise an online poll, allow phone-ins, encourage discussion.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Whatever is broadcast will be disliked by someone. I'm not keen on drum and bass - but we encourage all musical genres. Where would it stop if we started to discriminate?<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Certainly do not denigrate a group by suggesting that they are not worthy, because they don't conform to your own bigoted beliefs.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>So are you proposing that we actively support people who are potentially breaking the law - and risk prosecution?<BR>Opposing Government policies isn't going to do a lot to get CR better central funding!<BR>One man's legitimate commercial revenue is another man's greed.<BR>In my experience it's generally the ones who don't have it - and aren't prepared to do anything about it - that like to cause trouble for the people who have worked hard all their lives to build up a successful business.<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>> From: roger@coalway.f9.co.uk<BR>> To: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:34:22 +0000<BR>> CC: MECCSA@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<BR>> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Making Media matter<BR>> <BR>> >From distance I have been tuning in to the Occupy London live stream, it is<BR>> a rich and varying mix of opinion, debate, singing, performance but they<BR>> need support, keeping it on air 14-16 hours a day<BR>> <BR>> So I am writng this to appeal to the Community media community isn;t this<BR>> just the example of real broadcasting that we should be supporting?<BR>> <BR>> If you can get down there, contact them- if a couple of people a day could<BR>> help with technical, media, content support.<BR>> <BR>> The cause is challenging greed isn't that the heart of community?<BR>> <BR>> Do what you can? What can CMA offer? MECCSA?<BR>> <BR>> www.livestream.com/occupylsx<BR>> <BR>> best to all<BR>> <BR>> Roger Drury<BR>> SOUNDWORK Community Projects<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <cma-l-request@mailman.commedia.org.uk><BR>> To: <cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 3:07 PM<BR>> Subject: cma-l Digest, Vol 52, Issue 11<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Send cma-l mailing list submissions to<BR>> > cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>> ><BR>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> > http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l<BR>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> > cma-l-request@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>> ><BR>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> > cma-l-owner@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>> ><BR>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> > than "Re: Contents of cma-l digest..."<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Today's Topics:<BR>> ><BR>> > 1. Re: Sexually explicit songs and others...... (Eddie Stuart)<BR>> > 2. Re: Sexually explicit songs and others...... (Two Lochs Radio)<BR>> > 3. Re: [comradio-l] Avoiding sexually-explicit songs (Andy King)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 1<BR>> > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:36:46 +0000<BR>> > From: Eddie Stuart <eddie@kcr.fm><BR>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......<BR>> > To: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>> > Message-ID: <4EB003FE.4080202@kcr.fm><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> ><BR>> > Hmm - a Classic playlist, eh?<BR>> ><BR>> > This is from a 1948 song by Bull Moose Jackson which I wouldn't want to<BR>> > justify to any feminists.....<BR>> ><BR>> > I want a bow legged Woman that's all I want a bow legged Woman that's all<BR>> > I'll fall in love with Her right from the start Because her big fat Legs<BR>> > are so far apart I want a bow legged Woman right now I want to find me A<BR>> > gal somehow She's gotta be built like an ol' bass fiddle Big bow legs and<BR>> > a hole in the middle Gotta be on my way, To find a bow legged Woman today.<BR>> ><BR>> > Not a swear word in sight!<BR>> ><BR>> > Eddie<BR>> ><BR>> > On 01/11/2011 14:20, Julian Mellor wrote:<BR>> >> Very well said Eddie.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre. At face value the<BR>> >> word may be innocent, but to the attuned ear it could be very lude, rude<BR>> >> or even abusive. And that gets even more complex when it's combined with<BR>> >> street slang (what was that word anyway?), or street slang from other<BR>> >> languages (there's an urban track I want to play from Marseille, sung in<BR>> >> a mixture of French and Algerian Arabic - can anyone translate to make<BR>> >> sure it's safe?).<BR>> >><BR>> >> Maybe we should just keep safe and select only from the Classic Gold<BR>> >> playlist.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Julian<BR>> >><BR>> >> On 1 Nov 2011, at 12:29, Eddie Stuart wrote:<BR>> >><BR>> >>> It's not just explicit songs - I'd use the word "appropriate"<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> I think that we'd all agree that the Glasgow station who tried to say<BR>> >>> that the Fword was every day speech and that panini didn't mean a<BR>> >>> certain body part was having a laugh and were rightly kicked.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> However, the danger is that we get knee-jerk reactions that have<BR>> >>> unintended consequences. Ban Eminem, but then you knock out the song<BR>> >>> that made Dido famous and is OK.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> You really need someone of the right age to vet a lot of rap and similar<BR>> >>> stuff - I am old enough to saythat I would have probably caught panini -<BR>> >>> especially given the words around it, but a lot of street slang is just<BR>> >>> way beyond my ken - both musically (?!!) and lyrically.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> We have a lot of Gaelic up here and a wonderful column in yesterdays<BR>> >>> Aberdeen Press & Journal commented on the ATM in East London using<BR>> >>> Cockney rhyming slang and asking why the Gaelic Mafia weren't agitating<BR>> >>> for their version up here. The columnist points out that in Gaelic<BR>> >>> rhyming slang a withdrawal would be a "cnap" - literally a lump of<BR>> >>> money, ie a wad of cash. Unfortunately for non-Gaels, the "n" is<BR>> >>> pronounced here as an "r" and would thus sound like the word that got<BR>> >>> Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" banned when it was first released.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> The English nickname "Bot" caused total hilarity with Gaelic speaking<BR>> >>> school kids in Stornoway many years ago as they couldn't believe that<BR>> >>> anyone, let alone a visiting Deputy Headmaster, was openly called<BR>> >>> "*rse".<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Eric Bogle, much loved as an artist by many of our older Presenters, has<BR>> >>> a song "Guns, Guns, Guns" which is a mickey take on the American way of<BR>> >>> life. The day after Dunblane or the recent Tomintoul Gamekeeper tragedy,<BR>> >>> many people and possibly Ofcom would probably regard that song as at<BR>> >>> least as inapproriate as the Fword!<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> I wouldn't play "I Predict A Riot" the night that Tottenham burned and<BR>> >>> hope that everyone else was that sensible. But if you're using an<BR>> >>> automated playout system out of hours.....?? Do you watch the news and<BR>> >>> then quickly scan your entire music collection?<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> So yes, you should certainly vet music and not load/play certain tracks.<BR>> >>> The Fword is an obvious one. But you also need to stress<BR>> >>> "appropriateness", not just a very narrow "explicit"<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> You also need to accept that with the best will in the world, something<BR>> >>> will go wrong once in a while and have procedures in place to handle it.<BR>> >>> The Fword is easy, others become more subjective and station specific.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> That's my personal opinion, anyway.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Must go now and finish my playlist for tonight - hmm, now which<BR>> >>> excellent track by my favourite female rock band Fanny shall we start<BR>> >>> with?<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Eddie<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>>> Sorry Martin - and everyone else - but if, as you say, you haven't the<BR>> >>>> the staff or volunteers to pre-check all music that's played, then you<BR>> >>>> should simply not be using anything - or anyone - that you are not<BR>> >>>> prepared to personally guarantee as socially acceptable.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> You are leaving yourself wide open to very serious social and litigious<BR>> >>>> action and in my view you should not risk operating a freely-available<BR>> >>>> public service under those conditions.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> ------------------------------------<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> *Ian Hickling<BR>> >>>> **Partner*<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> *transplan UK*<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> ---<BR>> >>> KCR is the operating name of Keith Community Radio Ltd<BR>> >>> KCR broadcasts to the whole of Moray & beyond on 102.8FM<BR>> >>> and to the World at http://kcr.fm<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> ---<BR>> >>> Keith Community Radio Ltd - The Friendly Sound<BR>> >>> Registered in Scotland No.SC173805<BR>> >>> Registered Office: 59a Land Street, Keith, Banffshire, AB55 5AN<BR>> >>> _______________________________________________<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Reply - cma-l@commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community<BR>> >>> Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk<BR>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media<BR>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation<BR>> >>> Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/<BR>> >>> _______________________________________________<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Mailing list guidelines:<BR>> >>> http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/<BR>> >>> _______________________________________________<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please<BR>> >>> visit:<BR>> >>> http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l<BR>> >><BR>> ><BR>> > ---<BR>> > KCR is the operating name of Keith Community Radio Ltd<BR>> > KCR broadcasts to the whole of Moray & beyond on 102.8FM<BR>> > and to the World at http://kcr.fm<BR>> ><BR>> > ---<BR>> > Keith Community Radio Ltd - The Friendly Sound<BR>> > Registered in Scotland No.SC173805<BR>> > Registered Office: 59a Land Street, Keith, Banffshire, AB55 5AN<BR>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > URL:<BR>> > http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/pipermail/cma-l/attachments/20111101/b25b7873/attachment.html<BR>> ><BR>> > ------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 2<BR>> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:55:57 -0000<BR>> > From: "Two Lochs Radio" <tlr@gairloch.co.uk><BR>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......<BR>> > To: "Julian Mellor" <julian@10radio.org>, "Eddie Stuart"<BR>> > <eddie@kcr.fm><BR>> > Cc: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>> > Message-ID: <CEA13CF839454019B0A41B804746F44C@wwpc04><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> ><BR>> > We have pondered similar questions with Gaelic, including the reverse of<BR>> > the situation Eddie describes - there are perfectly common, decent Gaelic<BR>> > words that sound like unnacceptable words in English and can make a<BR>> > Station Manager prick up his ears (oops) as they go by.<BR>> ><BR>> > We also have the problem that a Gaelic word frequently needing to be<BR>> > spoken by non-Gaelic speaking presenters (reading news or what's on items)<BR>> > is a lewd word in Gaelic when pronounced with a slightly shorter vowel<BR>> > sound than it should be, but it just seems to entertain the Gaels in the<BR>> > audience when it happens.<BR>> ><BR>> > We have a pretty broad-minded approach to song lyrics on our station, and<BR>> > our listeners, ranging from very young to very old, have always been<BR>> > supremely tolerant of occasional mistakes. But of course we do our utmost<BR>> > to avoid offending anyone with inappropriate material. We do however take<BR>> > a fairly relaxed attitude late in some late evening shows where listeners<BR>> > can expect to hear lyrics that we wouldn't put in the breakfast show, and<BR>> > these have never elicited any complaints.<BR>> ><BR>> > On the other hand, some of the most popular Highland singalong songs with<BR>> > our family audiences contain the words 'bugger all' and 'bloody daft',<BR>> > which though 'mild' by most media standards, still worry some presenters<BR>> > for peak time listening, but we only ever get requests for them, not<BR>> > complaints.<BR>> ><BR>> > But the biggest problem is avoiding accidental use of 'non radio edits'.<BR>> > This has happened from time to time - eg the non-radio version of<BR>> > Beautiful South "Don't marry her", or James Blunt "You're beautiful", both<BR>> > of which sound sweetness and light until a very clearly emphasized word<BR>> > unwelcome in a teatime show.<BR>> ><BR>> > There can also be problems with tracks that share the same name but very<BR>> > different lyrics. The only case we have had that actually provoked a<BR>> > listener complaint was a Gaelic-presented show in which they played a rap<BR>> > track with some very unfortunate sexually and racially explicit lyrics, on<BR>> > a Sunday morning! The two ladies presenting the show fortunately were<BR>> > paying attention to the English lyrics. They pulled the track off pretty<BR>> > smartly, and said it was not the one they were expecting - it had the same<BR>> > name as another perfectly okay track which they had thought they were<BR>> > playing. The listener who complained was a non-Gaelic speaker, and when we<BR>> > explained what the presenters had said as they pulled the track off the<BR>> > listener was satisfied that it was a simple mistake and didn't complain<BR>> > any further.<BR>> ><BR>> > And of course, to many people other lyrics that are not 'rude' can be just<BR>> > as offensive or hurtful. For example songs referring to fat girls can be<BR>> > very offensive to the concerned parent of someone with an easting<BR>> > disorder, and there are also songs that have sectarian connotations that<BR>> > presenters may not be aware of.<BR>> ><BR>> > A veritable minefield, but we are blessed with a very understanding<BR>> > audience who seem to realize we are doing our best with limited resources,<BR>> > and accept the occasional snafu (oops).<BR>> ><BR>> > Alex<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: Julian Mellor<BR>> > To: Eddie Stuart<BR>> > Cc: cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:20 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Sexually explicit songs and others......<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Very well said Eddie.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Makes me wonder how one deals with double entendre.<BR>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > URL:<BR>> > http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/pipermail/cma-l/attachments/20111101/bffd2cde/attachment.html<BR>> ><BR>> > ------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 3<BR>> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:44:25 +0000<BR>> > From: Andy King <andy.king@moorlandsradio.co.uk><BR>> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] [comradio-l] Avoiding sexually-explicit songs<BR>> > To: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>> > Message-ID:<BR>> > <CAFvWsYz4DAK-=UuuQ46uW2bB146gOjdTWnYL9=n2HZ_jdnRB8g@mail.gmail.com><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> ><BR>> > Be careful of the song lyric websites! They quite often feature incomplete<BR>> > sets of lyrics, and I've been caught out once or twice with the odd F and<BR>> > B<BR>> > that whoever posted the site didn't see fit to include.<BR>> ><BR>> > The only safe way, and sadly the most time-consuming, is to listen with a<BR>> > finely tuned ear to each and every song.<BR>> ><BR>> > We had a version of Amy Winehouse - "Back to Black", with a subtle "d**k"<BR>> > in the first line, which no one noticed until it was played just after her<BR>> > death! Luckily, nothing came of it.<BR>> ><BR>> > Also, watch out when playing live versions of tracks. One of our<BR>> > presenters<BR>> > does this as a feature, and got caught out by Joss Stone introducing the<BR>> > quite harmless "You Had Me" on stage with the words "this is a song about<BR>> > a<BR>> > bas***d!".<BR>> ><BR>> > Andy<BR>> ><BR>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Andrew David <adavid@lincoln.ac.uk><BR>> > wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> ** ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> Dear All,****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> The mood of the Ofcom meeting was very clear - 'fess up to a problem and<BR>> >> they'll be as helpful as possible, so long as you can show that you're<BR>> >> trying to fix the issue and put robust but simple systems in place. It<BR>> >> was<BR>> >> interesting that the mainstream commercial and BBC representatives are<BR>> >> also<BR>> >> experiencing the same sorts of dilemmas that CR is facing. So, having<BR>> >> paid<BR>> >> people to check compliance of songs, doesn't always work.****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> Siren FM's policy (with a 9-24 year old focus in the KCs) is, LEGAL,<BR>> >> DECENT and HONEST and for safety's sake we do not have a watershed. It's<BR>> >> always (streaming) before 9.00pm somewhere.****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> We have a Head of Music who does his level best either to only load Radio<BR>> >> Edit tracks or to down load the song lyrics and check them through. This<BR>> >> is time consuming and we're looking at ways of developing a team around<BR>> >> him<BR>> >> to divide this out to other volunteers. They will, of course, undergo<BR>> >> relevant training.****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> Andrew****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> *Andrew David*****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *Managing Editor*****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *Council Member for the Community Media Association (<BR>> >> http://www.commedia.org.uk/)*****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *SIREN FM** - simply the home of fantastic radio, just great music,<BR>> >> enthusiastic presenters and the odd surprise or two!*****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *www.sirenonline.co.uk* <http://www.sirenonline.co.uk/>****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *01522 886001*****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ****<BR>> >> ------------------------------<BR>> >><BR>> >> *From:* cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:<BR>> >> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ian Hickling<BR>> >> *Sent:* 31 October 2011 22:41<BR>> >> *To:* **martin@martinsteers.co.uk**<BR>> >> *Cc:* cma-l; comradio-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>> >> *Subject:* [cma-l] Avoiding sexually-explicit songs****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> ****<BR>> >><BR>> >> Sorry Martin - and everyone else - but if, as you say, you haven't the<BR>> >> the<BR>> >> staff or volunteers to pre-check all music that's played, then you should<BR>> >> simply not be using anything - or anyone - that you are not prepared to<BR>> >> personally guarantee as socially acceptable.<BR>> >><BR>> >> You are leaving yourself wide open to very serious social and<BR>> >> litigious action and in my view you should not risk operating a<BR>> >> freely-available public service under those conditions.<BR>> >><BR>> >> ------------------------------------****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *Ian Hickling<BR>> >> **Partner*****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *transplan UK*<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> ****<BR>> >> ------------------------------<BR>> >><BR>> >> From: **martin@martinsteers.co.uk**<BR>> >> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:26:27 +0000<BR>> >> To: ian@transplan.uk.com<BR>> >> CC: cma-l@commedia.org.uk; comradio-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>> >> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Radio stations to get new guidance on avoiding<BR>> >> sexually explicit songs<BR>> >><BR>> >> Ian / All, ****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> I think the guidance is a good thing, I dont under stand how any<BR>> >> community<BR>> >> station wouldnt want more guidance or support in what they are doing in<BR>> >> any<BR>> >> or all areas lol.. and these are for all broadcasters not just community,<BR>> >> even commercial stations get in trouble over language..****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> What your suggesting is an interesting one, we have a playlist that<BR>> >> certain shows have to follow and music on that is checked.. but even we<BR>> >> dont have the staff or volunteers to pre check all music thats played, we<BR>> >> train and advice volunteers and we hope for the best..****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> Martin****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ian Hickling <transplanfm@hotmail.com><BR>> >> wrote:****<BR>> >><BR>> >> For Heaven's sake - how much molly-coddling do we need?<BR>> >> The answer's simple.<BR>> >> We don't need Government or Regulator guidance.<BR>> >> Common sense and experience will tell a responsible Licensee what's<BR>> >> permissible in Law and acceptable to the station's audience.<BR>> >> Nothing is played or allowed on the playout system until it's been<BR>> >> auditioned by the PC or equivalent.<BR>> >> You do not let all and sundry play what they like.<BR>> >> How hard can that be?<BR>> >> ------------------------------------****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *Ian Hickling<BR>> >> **Partner*****<BR>> >><BR>> >> *transplan UK*****<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> ****<BR>> >><BR>> >> > From: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>> >> > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:37:04 +0000<BR>> >> > To: cma-l@commedia.org.uk; comradio-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>> >> > Subject: [cma-l] The Guardian: Radio stations to get new guidance on<BR>> >> avoiding sexually explicit songs<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Ben Dowell, guardian.co.uk, Monday 31 October 2011 12.18 GMT<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > The BBC and commercial radio broadcasters will have to take more care<BR>> >> > with sexually explicit music lyrics, particularly in songs by rap<BR>> >> > artists, as part of a continuing crackdown by media regulator Ofcom on<BR>> >> > content that is inappropriate for children.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > ****UK**** radio broadcasters are to be issued with new guidance by<BR>> >> media<BR>> >> > regulator Ofcom to address the problem of broadcasting sexually<BR>> >> > explicit music lyrics at times when children are listening.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Following a meeting last week between representatives from the<BR>> >> > commercial sector as well as the BBC's editorial policy unit, Ofcom<BR>> >> > has promised to issue new and detailed guidance by the end of the<BR>> >> > year.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Of particular concern to Ofcom are offensive music lyrics aired at<BR>> >> > times in the morning and early evenings when children are often in the<BR>> >> > cars with the radio on as they are being taken to and from school.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > This follows the issuing of stricter guidance to TV broadcasters last<BR>> >> > month on airing such material before the 9pm watershed and signals a<BR>> >> > growing desire by the regulator to combat the problem.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Current rules enshrined in the Ofcom broadcasting code prohibit the<BR>> >> > broadcast of inappropriate or offensive material when children may be<BR>> >> > listening. But Ofcom says that the rules are flouted too often,<BR>> >> > particularly in the playing of rap music and that it has run out of<BR>> >> > patience.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Among recent examples of breaches of these rules was the airing by<BR>> >> > Scottish community radio station Brick FM of the song More Punany by<BR>> >> > reggae artist Dr Evil at 3pm. It contained the lyrics "last night I<BR>> >> > had a crazy threesome" and "I like to see the girls in the sexy bikini<BR>> >> > ni ni/Want to take my chilli and push it between ni ni", as well as "I<BR>> >> > like pun-na-na-na-ni even if it's a virgin".<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > The broadcaster claimed that "punany" referred to a sandwich - a<BR>> >> > panini, a claim that was roundly dismissed by the regulator, which<BR>> >> > said it was slang for a woman's genitalia.<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > In May Radio 1 broadcast an expletive-strewn concert by the band the<BR>> >> > Black Eyed Peas at the station's Big Weekend event in **Carlisle**.<BR>> >> During<BR>> >> > the broadcast the lead singer shouted "What the fuck's going down" and<BR>> >> > introduced their second song with the words "This song"s for all the<BR>> >> > fucking crazy people".<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > An Ofcom spokeswoman said: "Ofcom takes its role in protecting<BR>> >> > children from offensive language on the radio very seriously. We are<BR>> >> > concerned that there have been a number of recent cases where<BR>> >> > offensive language was broadcast, some at times when children were<BR>> >> > particularly likely to have been listening. That is why we held a<BR>> >> > meeting with the radio industry this week to discuss the issues. We<BR>> >> > intend to publish guidance by the end of the year to clarify the rules<BR>> >> > in the broadcasting code."<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > A BBC spokesman added: "The BBC, along with all radio broadcasters,<BR>> >> > sent a representative to discuss the matter and, while we have had no<BR>> >> > complaints upheld for bad language for more than three years, we will<BR>> >> > work with Ofcom to ensure we continue to deal with language in a<BR>> >> > responsible way."<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Source:<BR>> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/31/radio-stations-sexually-explicit-songs<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > \\<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Community Media Association<BR>> >> > --<BR>> >> > http://www.commedia.org.uk/<BR>> >> > http://twitter.com/community_media<BR>> >> > https://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation<BR>> >> > Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/<BR>> >> > _______________________________________________<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Reply - cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community<BR>> >> Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk<BR>> >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media<BR>> >> > http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation<BR>> >> > Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/<BR>> >> > _______________________________________________<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > Mailing list guidelines:<BR>> >> http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/<BR>> >> > _______________________________________________<BR>> >> ><BR>> >> > To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please<BR>> >> visit:<BR>> >> > http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >><BR>> >> Reply - cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>> >><BR>> >> The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community<BR>> >> Media Association - http://www.commedia.org.uk<BR>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/community_media<BR>> >> http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation<BR>> >> Canstream Internet Radio & Video: http://www.canstream.co.uk/<BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >><BR>> >> Mailing list guidelines:<BR>> >> http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/<BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >><BR>> >> To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please<BR>> >> visit:<BR>> >> http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l****<BR>> >><BR>> >> ** **<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> _______________________________________________ Reply -<BR>> >> cma-l@commedia.org.uk The cma-l mailing list is a members' service<BR>> >> provided by the Community Media Association -<BR>> >> http://www.commedia.org.ukTwitter:<BR>> >> http://twitter.com/community_media<BR>> >> http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation Canstream Internet<BR>> >> Radio & Video:<BR>> >> http://www.canstream.co.uk/_______________________________________________<BR>> >> Mailing list guidelines:<BR>> >> http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/_______________________________________________<BR>> >> To unsubscribe or manage<BR>> >> your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:<BR>> >> http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l****<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> *The University of Lincoln - a top performer in student satisfaction,<BR>> >> enjoying an unrivalled ascent through the University league tables, set<BR>> >> in<BR>> >> a dynamic, research rich and vibrant campus in the heart of a great<BR>> >> historic student-friendly city.*<BR>> >><BR>> >> The information in this e-mail and any attachments may be confidential.<BR>> >> If<BR>> >> you have received this email in error please notify the sender<BR>> >> immediately<BR>> >> and remove it from your system. 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