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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just a quick note to say I agree with Martin,
Radioplayer has been good for us at Future. Lots of positive feedback from
people listening online who previously struggled to. We may not be on DAB, but
at least with Radioplayer we are ‘on a level’ with BBC, Heart, Kiss etc when it
comes to listening online. And that can only help us sell ourselves better in
the future. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Martin Steers<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 19 October 2011 11:41<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> London Chinese Radio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] DCMS
consultation meetings on amendments to communityradio law</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I do agree that as a sector we need to come together, and your also
right that all stations should be standing together, I suspect we sort of fall
into the "I'm alright Jack" (although we do want a slightly
better coverage), however we will still stand together as part of the CMA to
say that CR needs looking at and adjusting by Gov / DCMS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On another point however I wanted to correct, the UKRadioPlayer which I
think you are referring to is a great opportunity for community radio stations.
It provides a standard player that listeners are getting used to and also a
search feature that if setup right will drive listeners into your station, we
know that for us if people put in <st1:place w:st="on">Luton</st1:place> we
should come top, above the BBC and Commercial stations.. also the stats will be
made available to stations, and as we have seen with absolute they say they
have grown listenership away from the BBC (and some BBC data released
say they have lost online listenership because of the player).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So I would look into the UK Radio Player if you are a community
station!.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:20 AM, London Chinese Radio <<a
href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk">admin@londonhuayu.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree with Nick too, to some extent. And also with Ian. And Roger.
Hmmm, that makes me quite an agreeable person!<br>
<br>
As for effective communication, I often wonder why we are all ranting to each
other, and what use that is?<br>
But actually it is the right place, because its the CMA forum, and they are the
ones that should be taking our message on. <br>
<br>
However, I also despair, as Nick points out, that there are a lot of "I'm
alright Jacks" around, and the problem is that people will whinge and rant
until they get what they want, be it a license, some funding, some change in
broadcasting regulations that affects them directly in a positive way.<br>
<br>
The problem is, then they're alright, Jack. Even if everybody else isn't. The
CMA doesn't have enough welly because membership of the CMA contains very
little in the way of obligation. If it were like a union, the CMA could go up
to whoever-it-is and say "right, we're not going to stand for this and we
have 128 stations behind us". But they can't and the people we are up
against know this and are laughing. And that's why they don't take us
seriously. The BBC, and umbrella commercial radio outfits are organised in that
way. And they have effective lobbying, and so can get regulation past (such as
the 50% rule) that should never have existed. <br>
<br>
The example I particularly take issue with is how all the CMA members are going
to the BBC iRadio, while the CMA player, which we should be supporting,
flounders. It's a crying shame, because if we acted together the CMA player
would contain much more content of original and diverse nature than the iRadio.
Plus we wouldn't be all donating all our listening statistics, in glorious
detail, to the BBC to help them make sure their radio / choice of music is more
spot on than ours (and I CMA stations don't get access to all that data).<br>
<br>
Anyway, I didn't want to turn this into a rant. I just wanted to point out the
need for unity.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<br>
Peter Vautier<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:City> Chinese
Radio<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Ian Hickling <<a
href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>OK Roger
- I <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>was</span></b> joking!<br>
Regarding this:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font><i><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-style:italic'>CR is being badly
treated by the authorities. Why should commercial businesses be protected by
law from the activities of community projects? It’s nonsense</span></font></i><font
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>.</span></font><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree!<br>
But we all knew about that from the very beginning.<br>
Did we complain then?<br>
Have we been complaining continuously ever since?<br>
What results have we seen?<br>
What does this tell you about effective communication?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3 color="#262626"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#262626;font-weight:
bold'>Ian Hickling<br>
</span></font>Partner</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>transplan <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region></span></font></b><br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>From: <a href="mailto:rj.thorne@btinternet.com">rj.thorne@btinternet.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:13:16 +0100<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] DCMS consultation meetings on amendments to communityradio
law<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Please don’t speak for me - I’m not fed up with his
moaning, though I’d say that “ranting” is a better description of Nick’s
posts at times! As is regularly pointed out he can be inaccurate, and
certainly often comes out of left-field. But usually worth a read even if
just for the entertainment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Underneath it all though the man is correct. CR is being
badly treated by the authorities. Why should commercial businesses be protected
by law from the activities of community projects? It’s nonsense.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I would pay money to be a fly on the wall at a meeting between
Nick and the DCMS.....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Hickling</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 18 October 2011 14:18<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b> <a
href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co..uk</a>; Alan Coote; cma-l<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [cma-l] DCMS consultation
meetings on amendments to communityradio law<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nick</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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I'm going to do this in public, because we're all fed up with your moaning.<br>
No - actually - we do appreciate what you're saying.<br>
Let's get some facts into this.<br>
<br>
Firstly - about Key 103 - if it is that causing the problem.<br>
That's on 103,0 at 347 metres AOD and an antenna elevation of 40m with an
aggregate 4kW on Saddleworth Moor and you're on 102,8 with 25W at 153m AOD and
34m antenna elevation and an aggregate 48W at Bolligton - 27km due south
with a complete geological signal block anywhere to the east of you.<br>
103,0 is second adjacent to you, which providing you're both within
specification, means no part of your transmission envelopes overlap more
than at -60dB.<br>
That is one millionth of full power level.<br>
<br>
So - any cross-talk you're getting can only be attributed - forgive me for
being blunt - to the use of crap radio receivers.<br>
I'm sure you wouldn't want legislation introduced to allow for that?<br>
No fault of the rules, the broadcasters or of Ofcom.<br>
There is a possible solution of moving your frequency either one channel
further away from Key 103 or somewhere entirely different - but that's a much
bigger exercise as I'm sure you'll understand.<br>
<br>
Secondly - the so-called "crackle crackle hiss hiss crackle" is not
being generated by you or by them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It's your radio picking up other random signals which are of a level
higher than the wanted one..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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This may be because of low signal strength - or again the radio itself -
or more likely its aerial aystem.<br>
Again, not the fault of the rules, the broadcasters or of Ofcom.<br>
<br>
Thirdly - your idea of upping power by 1W at a time. Beside it being completely
outside any concept of engineering planning logic, it would do no
good at all. Power (allied with propagation format) gets you penetration;
height gets you range. So - to increase coverage area you'll need to
provide your antenna with a better view of its target. Therefore more
height - or an entirely new location. That's always assuming that you are
actually emitting your full ERP, which in itself may be part of the problem.<br>
<br>
Look - buy me a decent lunch and I'll spend a day with you looking at the
problem and I'll do you a Spectrum Audit Scan which will show just how near or
effective other broadcasters are. And I'll analyse your problem
crackle/hiss areas too.<br>
Then we might be able to come up with a good practical sound engineering
solution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 color="#262626"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#262626;font-weight:
bold'>Ian Hickling<br>
</span></font></b><b><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:
bold'>Partner</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>transplan <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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