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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We*ve used, a number of solutions as below;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We borrowed an AudioTX codec which worked well over 3G and DSL 每 A latency of 3 to 4 sec is typical so 2 ways are not practical.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Barix Instreamer and Extremers have a latency of about 1 second over normal DSL. Not tried them on 3G but I suspect it would work Ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Skype works great, we even did an OB from Spain and used it locally over 3G. There is no real control over quality and latency so will dropout without warning when network gets busy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>COMREX Access was used for a big OB over several days a couple of weeks ago. It worked well with &nbsp;3G until 50,000 people descended on our location. I didn*t have a chance to use Vortex*s &nbsp;V3X Intelligent 3G Booster which may have helped.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We also do non-realtime OBs by Voice Tracking directly into the Myriad log 每 works brilliantly for presenter led shows and gets over most of the vagaries of the internet. A gotcha is that Myriad doesn*t like Remote VT-ing into its current hour 每 it can be done but care is needed to hit hard timing markers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Solution not tried;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Luci Live iPhone / PC 每 used to some extent by the BBC每 I heard BBC wanted better licensing terms<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tieline &nbsp;Report IT Live for iPhone 每 requires the Tieline Bridge IT codec which pushes up the price. I had a demo by a radio journo* as we were both at the resent Red Arrows crash. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope that helps.<o:p></o:p></sp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 mikes, mixer and music source(s) plus a laptop PC creating a stream broadcast over the Internet which is then picked up in the studios. In theory we can use a direct Ethernet connection or WiFi if available at the remote location or 3G otherwise. However Ethernet is rarely available and we have found WiFi unreliable so have opted for 3G which works well. We got a 3G dongle for <span lang=ZH-CN>㏒</span>30 from 3 which lasted us through the whole Summer!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The only major problem with this setup is that there is a delay of several seconds which can cause problems if we are interacting with a presenter in the studio. We tried various combinations of presenter in studio with reporter on remote site, presenter at remote site with music coming from studio and broadcasting the whole programme from the remote site. Perhaps surprisingly the latter worked best as it avoided problems working with the delay.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The technical solution to the delay is to use special &quot;black boxes&quot; called Instreamers and Extreamers although these are expensive (<span lang=ZH-CN>㏒</span>200 or so each). But running the whole programme from the remote site works very well as long as the broadband link stays up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The other main lesson is that it is essential to have a technical operator at the studios all the time during an OB, with a direct communications link (mobile phone usually although it could be Skype).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think we have been surprised that this setup can produce such a good quality link from an external site using just a few <span lang=ZH-CN>㏒</span>100s of equipment. Only a few years ago such things required van fulls of equipment and a staff of dozens - at least for the BBC!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Clive Glover<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Radio Verulam<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>St Albans<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 4 Sep 2011, at 22:42, London Chinese Radio wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sounds a bit vague, but I would be interested in hearing what use community stations are making of mobile technology.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So the first question is &quot;what do I mean by mobile technology&quot;, to which the answer must be &quot;somehow using a mobile phone to interact with a radio station or it's output&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I once saw a presenter who used to take calls to his mobile which he had plugged into the mixing desk (that was on Sound Radio) it worked really well, and he did get quite a number of calls.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Some of our presenters come and want to play music from their iphones, so I guess that's another use. Once, before we had a telephone hybrid, we had a presenter who did a phone in, and held the mobile up to the mic, that worked pretty well too.... &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But more importantly, listeners - do you take texts, SMS, facebook messages, etc. How about people listening with their mobile phones?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or what about using SMS services to contact large amounts of people en masse...? Anyone had experiences with that?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Does anyone know of any way to broadcast to mobile phones and avoid huge costs to listeners on mobiles? &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm about to start a mobile technology project, and I'd like to hear any success stories, maybe we can all share what works well. I certainly will be more than happy to share any results from the project.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards to all,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peter Vautier<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>London Chinese Radio<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:21.0pt'>-- <span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><h1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:21.0pt'><span lang=ZH-CN style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#666666;font-weight:normal'>珧鳶尥祥鴃ㄛ景瑞斯衱汜</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></h1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br><br>Reply - <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br><br>The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/community_media</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br>Canstream Internet Radio &amp; Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:<br><a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Reply - <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br><br>The cma-l mailing list is a members' service provided by the Community Media Association - <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk</a><br>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/community_media" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/community_media</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation</a><br>Canstream Internet Radio &amp; Video: <a href="http://www.canstream.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.canstream.co.uk/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Mailing list guidelines: <a href="http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/" target="_blank">http://www.commedia.org.uk/about/cma-email-lists/email-list-guidelines/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>To unsubscribe or manage your CMA-L mailing list subscription please visit:<br><a href="http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.commedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/cma-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></body></html>