<html><head><base href="x-msg://103/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Alan<div><br></div><div>I think you are right here. The space made available in the FM Band by the migration of national BBC and large commercial stations could be used to simulcast CR stations in a digital format like DRM+.</div><div><br></div><div>But, let's face it, the BBC is not going to migrate its national stations to DAB and loose its huge FM audiences for R1, 2 & 4 or even its small but influential audience for R3. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Clive <br><div><div>On 8 Jul 2011, at 14:56, Alan Coote wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Nick et al,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As I’ve posted many times before, we should be pushing for digital solution for ALL radio stations.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There are numerous value added services with digital radio which are not possible on analogue. If the big boys vacate to digital, then FM will be a second rate technology –like AM is now.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Community Radio and the smaller commercial stations must push for the whole industry to migrate to a digital platform.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Image this</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">… digital broadcasting with 100s of stations available including Commercial, BBC, Local Community Stations and even National Community of Interest Stations. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Neither DAB/DAB+ or FM can provide this – nowhere near. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">While I’m not married to a technology, its only DRM/DRM+ that fits the bill. It’s even possible simulcast digital on the VHF FM band while working towards the longer term switchover.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We need to lobby the government and not play the ridiculous games of the self-serving DAB only<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Digital Radio Stakeholder<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">group. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Alan<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ian Hickling<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>08 July 2011 9:11 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>; cma-l<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[cma-l] "digital radio switchover date"<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">No - not too technical - just getting accurate.<br>Regarding your resume Nick:<br> <br>1) We want more community stations to join the throng<br><em><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">True</span></em><i><br></i>2) We can't, coz' there ain't any room left on the spectrum<br><em><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Untrue - the present allocation and protection system is neither realistic nor efficient.</span></em><i><br></i>3) Those already on the spectrum are getting interfered and fettled with by<br>commercial radio stations who are either on the same wavelength, over<br>modulating, too much power or just generally being a complete pain in the<br>arse !<br><em><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Untrue. Partly attributed to inadeqate planning but mostly people using atrociously badly designed receivers in conditions where low-power signals can't perform properly. If any other licensed stations are over-deviating it is blatantly obvious and Ofcom will jump on them from a great height.</span></em><br>4) The solution is to shift the bigger boys onto digital services to free up<br>FM frequencies the BBC for example hogging 50% of space in some areas<br>?? er I think ?<br><em><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Correct - but BBC and Classic together as the 5 national FM services occupy 42% of Band II almost exclusively. These will definitely not migrate away from FM until an internationally-agreed digital format is in place and the audience has accepted its use. I reckon on at least 8 years before that can be achieved.</span></em><i><br></i>5) Lots more community stations as they are only on peanuts watts ! and<br>possibly a bit of room for manoeuvre for those already getting trodden on<br>only 1 mile outside their own MCA<br><em><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Not necessarily - because the licensing and mainly the funding regimes won't be able to cope. Your own problem is able to be resolved as we've discussed. You simply have to push harder. As your MCA is Measured Coverage Area, by definition you will certainly not be receivable outside it!</span></em><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 38, 38); ">Ian Hickling<br></span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Partner<br>transplan UK</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><br> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:29:11 +0100<br>> Subject: [cma-l] FW: The Telegraph: Government still won't commit to digital radio switchover date<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> It's all gone extremely technical and possibly over the heads of the<br>> majority of community radio laymen.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I see it quite simply as this (but correct me if I am wrong)<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1) We want more community stations to join the throng<br>> 2) We can't, coz' there ain't any room left on the spectrum<br>> 3) Those already on the spectrum are getting interfered and fettled with by<br>> commercial radio stations who are either on the same wavelength, over<br>> modulating, too much power or just generally being a complete pain in the<br>> arse !<br>> 4) The solution is to shift the bigger boys onto digital services to free up<br>> FM frequencies the BBC for example hogging 50% of space in some areas<br>> ?? er I think ?<br>> 5) Lots more community stations as they are only on peanuts watts ! and<br>> possibly a bit of room for manoeuvre for those already getting trodden on<br>> only 1 mile outside their own MCA<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> This ladies and gentlemen is how I see it, furthermore we are experiencing<br>> it, which confirms that regardless of the down to earth slightly uneducated<br>> language the fact remains that our view on things is possibly the correct<br>> view and those in the Ivory Towers have still got the curtains closed, the<br>> blinkers on and the ear muffs on their empty heads.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Regards<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Nick<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk]" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk]</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>On Behalf Of Alan Coote<br>> Sent: 07 July 2011 10:59<br>> To: 'cma-l'<br>> Subject: Re: [cma-l]The Telegraph: Government still won’t commit to digital<br>> radio switchover date<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> More bad news for DAB<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://RadioForums.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">RadioForums.co.uk</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> DAB broadcasts have ceased in Portugal, with public-service broadcaster RTP<br>> handing back its licence to the regulator. RTP was simulcasting six national<br>> stations, covering 74% of the population on 44 transmitters, including 9 in<br>> the Azores and 7 in Madeira. Although no digital-only stations were offered,<br>> RTP said it had invested £5.7million in the DAB project to date, with annual<br>> costs of £300,000 per year, which was unsustainable given the small number<br>> of listeners.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> The country’s Regulatory Authority for the Media described the DAB project<br>> as a “failure”, caused by problems “that also occurred in other countries,<br>> such as the costs of simulcast, the price of receivers, a lack of<br>> coordination with the automotive industry... and feared marginalization of<br>> local radio stations.” The Portuguese Association of Broadcasting said “the<br>> technology never had opportunity to take hold, given the delay in the<br>> implementation of DAB, due mainly to the limited interest shown by industry,<br>> listeners and radio broadcasters.” The regulator is retaining the<br>> frequencies for radio broadcasts, allowing use for DAB+ in the future. RTP<br>> has also temporarily ceased shortwave transmissions of RDP Internacional to<br>> save money.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Meanwhile, in Spain, many DAB transmitters have also been switched off this<br>> recently, after the government gave permission for minimum coverage to be<br>> reduced from 50% to 20%, leaving only Madrid and Barcelona with DAB signals.<br>> This forms part of a new “technologically neutral” digital radio plan for<br>> Spain, paving the way for DAB+ and pilot services of DRM/DRM+<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Alan<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Alan Coote<br>> Managing Director<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> The Bay Radio<br>> Office 01202 580200<br>> Studio 01202 571028<br>> Mobile 07801 518858<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Email<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:alan.coote@thebayradio.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; 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