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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll join the negotiating committee !
at least if we don’t get anywhere I could help organising the riot that would
have ensued after my input ….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>LOL<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>London Chinese Radio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 15 June 2011 11:05<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [cma-l] Fwd: reflections
on the CMA conference</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>London Chinese Radio</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk">admin@londonhuayu.co.uk</a>><br>
Date: 2011/6/15<br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] reflections on the CMA conference<br>
To: Tony Bailey <<a href="mailto:studio@ravensoundradio.co.uk">studio@ravensoundradio.co.uk</a>>,
<a href="mailto:l@mailman.commedia.org.uk">l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>,
Community Media Association <<a href="mailto:cma@commedia.org.uk">cma@commedia.org.uk</a>><br>
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<br>
Hi Tony,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm
guessing so, at least there should be another body to judge whether a station
is worthy to go on (ie not Ofcom, which licenses pirate stations ahead of
outfits that have been towing the line and paying the bills). Maybe the CMA
itself?</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>But what
I think we need to tell the CMA is that they need to negotiate properly,
instead of being pleasant all the time. They need to be aware that the BBC
Radio Player <u>needs</u> to community sector if it is to reach its goal of
getting "all radio stations in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>" in one place. So the CMA
can really sink this ship. If the CMA don't get on board the BBC's boat then
it's really game over for their radio player.</span></font><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
don't think they are aware of how fragile the BBC's position is here. And how
strong a bargaining position the CMA are in, especially since the CMA player is
out now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best
wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2011/6/15
Tony Bailey <<a href="mailto:studio@ravensoundradio.co.uk" target="_blank">studio@ravensoundradio.co.uk</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>G'day
Peter,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the narrative, and the trip down memory lane back to a time<br>
when the CRA meant something in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:City>
- before they sold out and shut<br>
up shop. </span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>Presumably the CMA Player will be
members and canstream only?<br>
<br>
Regards, <font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>Tony
Bailey<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
London Chinese Radio wrote:<br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> It was a good AGM on Saturday, although I tried to find those who<br>
> wandered off to the pub afterwards, but couldn't find you. In the end<br>
> gave up and went home - had a headache anyway...<br>
><br>
> Something nagging at the back of my mind forces me to write...<br>
><br>
> I brought up a question (twice) about why online only radio stations are<br>
> being excluded from the BBC radio player, and the response I got has got<br>
> me wondering:<br>
><br>
> Jacqui got some titters from the audience when she said (twice) that<br>
> most (or a lot) of online radio is "crap" - a semi-profane word
which<br>
> may seem amusing, but also reveals an attitude towards online radio<br>
> operations and their work. And attempts to paint a huge sector with the<br>
> same brush. I wonder how much of these stations she actually listens to?<br>
> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>I
don't think she listens to much. (because she thinks they are 'crap').<br>
><br>
> So, as a member of the CMA, I was hoping that they would be campaigning<br>
> on my and other online radio stations behalf. However, I think I will be<br>
> disappointed here, because if that is the attitude towards online radio,<br>
> I shouldn't build my hopes up. And that's a pity, because I think online<br>
> radio is where the future is. I know a lot of people will disagree here,<br>
> but I really think the internet has changed society, and will change<br>
> radio too.<br>
><br>
> I would like to challenge the view that internet radio is crap, not just<br>
> because of the wealth of excellent radio content out there, but also<br>
> because I have a logical argument:<br>
> Online only stations are not having to run FM licenses, and have no duty<br>
> to ensure every second of airtime is filled, however meaninglessly, so<br>
> they have the leisure to take time and properly produce feature<br>
> programmes, including narration, interviews, sound bites, etc. This<br>
> takes a long time, but it is something that online only stations can do.<br>
> Also, many online radio stations provide niche content that serving<br>
> particular communities.<br>
><br>
> Now, when I think about 'crap' I can think of output by licensed<br>
> stations that is also crap, including even the BBC, who don't want<br>
> 'crap' on their player. Stuff like prank calls by Johnathan Ross and<br>
> Russell Brand to name a specific example. (it's a long time ago, but I<br>
> don't listen to BBC radio, there's too much good alternative content out<br>
> there). But these stations are all allowed on the radio player because<br>
> they are 'licensed' by Ofcom. Ofcom, oh dear, Ofcom. One quango that<br>
> really shouldn't have survived the govt cuts. Don't even get me started<br>
> on that.... ('not fit for purpose' springs to mind)...<br>
><br>
> As I mentioned at the meeting, it seems to me that the only purpose I<br>
> can think of for the BBC Radio Player's existence is to exclude a huge<br>
> swathe of radio stations in one foul swoop. This can be seen in its<br>
> claim to put all of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
radio stations in one place. Handy. Yup, a very<br>
> handy way for an organisation that was opposed to the community radio<br>
> sector from the outset to do away with a huge number of online stations.<br>
> So why on earth is the CMA supporting it?<br>
><br>
> Anyway, out of that disappointing discussion came a beam of light from<br>
> the audience. The CMA radio player. Someone pointed out that the CMA's<br>
> new player is out, and could be positioned as a competitor to the BBC<br>
> Radio Player. The CMA radio player has several <font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>advantages, no least
the<br>
> fact that the CMA doesn't have to enter into long negotiations with the<br>
> BBC to try (or not, as the case may be) to get community stations<br>
> (online or licensed). The CMA radio player could be a lot cheaper (if<br>
> not free) for stations using Canstream.<br>
> In fact, why on earth is the CMA on one hand developing its own radio<br>
> player, and on the other hand encouraging stations to join the BBC Radio<br>
> Player which will be in direct competition with it?<br>
><br>
> I think that we should all back the CMA Radio Player. It's one really<br>
> good thing that the CMA have come up with. Disregarding everything I<br>
> have written just now, I still believe that the CMA are genuine about<br>
> furthering the community sector, and and have our best interests at<br>
> heart. I don't think the BBC ever was or ever will be, and I really<br>
> think the CMA should be more aware of the thousands of volunteers and<br>
> thousands of hours of hard work and top quality radio, from both online<br>
> and licensed radio that they are representing. And bearing that in mind<br>
> the CMA should be far more assertive instead of worrying about upsetting<br>
> their contacts.<br>
><br>
> 'nuff said<br>
><br>
><br>
> Peter Vautier<br>
> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:City>
Chinese Radio<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
><br>
> <font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<span lang=ZH-CN>野火烧不尽，春风吹又生</span><br>
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