Hi all<br><br>just to mention that getting that 'other data' is central to the Community Radio Fund backed project - 'Prove It' that we're just starting with ALLFM and other Manchester stations. The aim is to give stations an authoritative and affordable survey tool that, yes, will give 'the numbers' but also assess the other impacts - some of the social gain - that is delivered to stations' communities. <br>
<br>We'll be putting updates on <a href="http://www.communityradiotoolkit.net">www.communityradiotoolkit.net</a> and on CM-L - including a frank couple of interviews with a supportive council officers who want to see community radio doing more... stay tuned...<br>
<br>bests<br><br>Phil<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 May 2011 12:43, Martin Steers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin@martinsteers.co.uk">martin@martinsteers.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Havent had chance to reply (in process of moving! yay)<div><br></div><div>RAJAR should be considered but only considered. I still think that if we can get a trusted community radio related survey that not only provided numbers that can be used for advertising etc but also valuable data that the stations can actually use for other items (programming, grants etc)</div>
<div><br></div><div>I know many different stations already commission or run their own data collection, but is there common methodology or has it been independently audited.. because if we can achieve that (or a low cost organisation thats willing to do it.. and the surveys) then that would really help.. what a national advertising organisation then does is raise awareness of this survey and grow trust in that data for themselves and the rest of the community radio sector.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There seems to be some interest.. I still think a national advertising organisation is a viable opportunity.. and once i finish moving I might start the ball rolling...</div><div><br></div><div>Martin</div>
<div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:03 PM, ROBERT TYLER <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com" target="_blank">bobtyler@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Phil</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">RAJAR is
not the ideal tool unless community radio becomes a brand, ie CR Frome or CR
Manchester 103.5fm.<span> </span>Then RAJAR could
pick up the ‘brand’ id as a sort of generic.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Guessing
now but perhaps 4% of listening hours could bring in £1 – £2m with very small cost
of RAJAR and net agency commission.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">My thoughts
are that a ‘caring package’ or ‘ECO package’ is a better direction, selling to
advertisers that want to offset other spend for whatever reason.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">This has
legs.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Bob</span></p>
<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 26/4/11, Phil Edmonds <i><<a href="mailto:lists@philedmonds.info" target="_blank">lists@philedmonds.info</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: Phil Edmonds <<a href="mailto:lists@philedmonds.info" target="_blank">lists@philedmonds.info</a>><div><br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] National Advertising<br>To: <a href="mailto:cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><br>
</div>Date: Tuesday, 26 April, 2011, 19:39<div><div></div><div><br><br><div>Again my personal views....<br><br>On 23/04/2011 20:56, ROBERT TYLER wrote:<br>> In any event, all of national advertising is sold based on RAJAR data,<br>
> in other words, no RAJAR no interest.<br><br>Just pondering - in the last RAJAR figures, 'other listening' counts for <br>6% reach.<br><br>This 'other listening' consists of:<br><br>Non RAJAR subscribing stations - i.e. many Digital only, Community, <br>
Student, Hospital and Pirate stations.<br>'Out of area' listening (i.e. if I ticked Liverpool's 'Radio City' as a <br>Manchester listener I'd be in
'other listening' as I'm outside their TSA).<br><br><br>Also RAJAR state that 25% of listening is via Digital Platforms.<br><br>Therefore you could argue that discounting 25% of the 6% of 'other <br>listening' - leaves us with Community Radio having 'the best part of' a <br>
4% audience reach.<br><br>Of course some Community Radio listening is via Internet - which is <br>Digital in the RAJAR survey and there are many other non Community <br>'other' stations.<br><br><br>The biggest, of many, blows to the statistical validity of this 4% <br>
figure is that there is not universal enough coverage of Community <br>Radio. We are all so different that if a respondent in Town A listens to <br>a Community Radio station, we can't justifiably assume that a similar <br>
demographic non surveyed listener in Town B listens to their local <br>Community Radio station.<br><br>Even if you take a margin out of the 'other listening' for listeners to <br>non Rajar, non
Community Radio, a 2% reach brings us in line with the <br>reach of BBC 6Music - but still this is pretty dodgy ground to claim <br>with any validity.. In any case in the commercial world there's only <br>Premier Christian Radio, Kissmat, Buzz Asia, Gold Devon and Yorkshire <br>
Radio at such low reach figures (the first three being niche <br>broadcasters, the last digital only and we can only assume Oldies on AM <br>is not a mass market attraction in Devon.)<br><br>So depending on how you spin it 2% may or may not be that 'attractive' a <br>
statistic.<br><br>However I believe the reach of Community Radio will be greater than this <br>- but a significant audience will only tune in for one or two specific <br>programmes.<br><br>The Rajar methodology will never work for this as the survey size is <br>
just many a factor (I'd argue at least hundreds times) too small to <br>catch all these niche one or two hours a week listeners. BUT it is <br>perfectly
"statistically valid" to "gauge" the audience of large <br>mainstream radio stations.<br><br><br>Anyway this is some food for thought - I'm sure some Rajar gurus might <br>be able to pull apart some of this argument as I don't claim to be any <br>
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